Wow, it got all Free Republic up in here. The fever-swamp fantasies of the conservative mind never fail to amaze.
Right, because in one case you have a storm that was not caused by anyone, and the comments of one man about how disaster relief should hypothetically work in the future which have absolutely nothing to do with how disaster relief is working here and now. And in the other case, you have an actual person in charge during a terrorist attack, who (according to some people) failed to act quickly enough to prevent the deaths of one or more of the four people who were actually killed.
So yeah, I think a massive security lapse is more relevant than discussing someone’s comments that have absolutely no effect on a natural disaster.
ShivaX
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According to some people the Earth is flat. That doesn’t mean we should listen to them.
No, I don’t think any of that is it.
What it really is is that your lying stooge of a candidate said something so witless during the primary season that not even he believes it, but said it so that he could pander to the idiot tea-party base of the GOP to get the nomination…and now that thing he said–this time about FEMA–is biting him in the ass.
As such, in what might be his Arnold Vinick moment of watching the nuclear reactor go up, Mr. Romney’s surrogates at Pravda TV would like to talk about something else. Anything else.
Alstein
2665
THe thing is, even Nate Silver’s predictions give the Reps a 25% shot of winning, so it isn’t impossible for them to pull something off on election day.
I’m kinda hoping for the Reps to win the popular vote but get screwed on the electoral- so we can get Electoral college elimination (I think the Dems would go for that), and for Obama to win controversially.
I do think it’s possible the models are underestimating the anti-Obama turnout in the Deep South- which is how you’d get my scenario (this wouldn’t change the election, it doesn’t matter if Obama loses Alabama by 20 points or 50)
Romney and the reactionary right are absolutely relevant because even if Rombot doesn’t dismantle FEMA the Ryan budget cuts it by 40%, and with increasingly intense storms it’s going to be more needed, not less. Further any chance of progress with limiting carbon emissions (although it is probably too late anyway) is dead and buried.
But no the rantings of the RW media and what happened at Libya is far more important. How can there be a functional democracy when so many are so delusional?
3…2…1…And Count Chocula weighs in You knew it was coming. Let the new outrage begin!
Clay
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When I say bureaucracy, I’m referring to the non-politically appointed hires of the federal government. I’m not blaming Bush for anything. Clinton is the one who cut intel budgets such that it was in a poor(er) state when Bush took over. I was pointing out that the vast majority of people doing actual work in the government are people who have been there through multiple administrations and that they aren’t magically replaced with a new president.
Maybe Obama is directly to blame for all of the miscommunication coming out of the White House. He already accepted blame for the ambassador’s death; maybe it was his decision not to sent additional support in. Maybe he personally decided not to send in additional support for reasons that cannot be discussed publicly or because it just wasn’t feasible for some reason. Maybe it was just a bad decision.
Maybe there are dozens of classified details about this that aren’t available for public consumption, which makes it hard to build a coherent picture.
But expecting the government, under any administration, with so many moving pieces, to come out with a comprehensive, detailed, and accurate public report about something like Benghazi in such a short period of time is just ridiculous.
Question: Does anyone really think that there will be much talk about Benghazi after Nov 7 outside of conspiracy theory websites?
Mitt Romney: he hasn’t had a chance to screw anything up yet.
If it’s so easy, I wonder how Bush fucked it up so badly?
If Obama wins, oh just wait, the mad-dogs are not going to let go of this.
I’ve read posts (not on here) where this is the greatest catastrophe in US history. An obvious impeachable offence for his lies and covering up the truth, we’re talking high crimes here. I don’t see the frothing nut jobs ever to be satisfied with any explanation of what actually happened.
I’m going to post a comment from another site, primarily aimed at a conservative poster there but perfectly captures this sentiment:
Allan Marlow
October 30, 2012 at 7:35 pm
@John Drew
If what you say is correct, and I don’t have any reason to doubt it, political science must be a unique case of conservative representation in science. I say this because, as a very experienced scientist myself (an older guy with a rich trajectory in several fields), the vast majority of scientists are liberal, at least in the social sense of the word, and are also atheist or at least non-religious.
To most sophisticated people, today’s conservatism is so imbued with dogma that it becomes almost repugnant to the thinking brain. In all honesty, the true voices of today’s conservatives are the likes of Limbaugh, and nobody can be more foreign to a thinking individual than Limbaugh (or Beck, etc.)
I have watched in amazement how conservatives have tried to delegitimize Obama, in ways that challenge any measure of logic, common sense, or morality. At the same time, I have watched Obama stoically take in the punches, in a situation where most of his attackers would have conceded and simply left the scene.
I have a unique perspective on this because I am not American, and therefore I am not emotionally vested the way Americans are. I am a foreigner who has lived in this country (and a number of other countries) for many years, long enough to know it extremely well, and long enough to have seen it morph, in important respects, from a first-world nation into something dangerously close to an over-sized third-world country.
What is happening to Obama tells the world that this country has changed much less than most Americans would like to think since Marian Anderson was forbidden from singing in Constitution Hall. Racism isn’t pretty, too bad many of you don’t realize that.
Well, this non-American, non-emotional-invested, thinking, older, sophisticated, very experienced scientist with a rich trajectory in many fields who intimately and (uniquely) knows Americans and America, must have missed every Presidency (which ones depend on how much older, I guess) most especially since the late 80’s if he thinks what is happening to Obama is different than the political attacks that have taken place against every sitting President. I think Clinton and George W. Bush could have a bi-partisan agreement that the personal stuff has actually been lighter for Obama than it was for them and on-par with what Bush I received.
Of course, he was busy being better than you in SCIENCE! and everything else and might have missed it. Was there any appeal to authority this guy missed in his post? He obviously omitted what kind of car he drives and the super-models he dates.
Houngan
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What was the equivalent of the birther movement or the “terrorist fist bump” for earlier presidents?
Sigh, part of me doesn’t want to believe this:
Romney bought $5k of food for people to “donate” back to him at phony “hurricane” rally
Because I want to see the best in people and I’m tired of being so…angry…but part of me, this cynical, bitter part totally believes it, and I hate that I’ve become that way…
Did I just read they actually admitted to it? Sheesh.
wahoo
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Whitewater? Bill Clinton rape investigations? GWB drugs, National Guard service scam that led to Dan Rather firing? Laura Bush killed a man driving? 9/11 Truthers?
WarrenM
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Can someone PLEASE debunk Brian’s link? I have very little faith left in the political system and that is not helping…
You mean with facts, right, not just with angry platitudes and yelling a lot? ;)
Hooray, Quinnipiac just came out with polls showing Obama up by 5% in both Ohio and Iowa, and 2% in VA. That last one is probably within the margin of error if it’s like most polls.
