Hey, according to Brownie, the president moved too fast on prepping for Sandy.

The numbers look pretty good, but bear in mind that the previous month’s numbers which seemed so awesome ended up being revised back down by a huge chunk.

Yeah, I heard about that too. Why anyone would value his opinion on anything, much less disaster relief and preparedness, is beyond me.

No, no… all that money spent on the economy is good stuff. You need more elections, not less - then this economic crisis would be over in no time.

Or if you read the article, the criticism, fair or not, was actually more aimed toward unintentionally giving people a false sense of security and risking them not take necessary actions, but, you know, nuance, I guess.

Edit: dammit, did I just defend Brownie? See what you “people” are driving me to do?

Ummm … what?

Here’s the whole quote from Michael Brown:

So, it’s just parroting a right-wing talking point about Benghazi and tying it to the President’s response to the hurricane. I am sure you understand the hilarity of Bush’s Katrina FEMA director criticizing anyone for moving too fast on a disaster.

The criticism is also yet another way for the right to trot out their current shibboleth, Benghazi:

“One thing he’s gonna be asked is, why did he jump on this so quickly and go back to D.C. so quickly when in . . . Benghazi, he went to Las Vegas?” Brown says. “Why was this so quick? . . . At some point, somebody’s going to ask that question. . . . This is like the inverse of Benghazi.”

An interesting article in the National Journal around the polling issues we have been discussing.

National Journal

A few days ago, I sat down with Rob Jesmer, the executive director of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. Jesmer is usually tight-fisted about his polling; he doesn’t share it with members of the media when the numbers are good for his candidates, which avoids the inevitably uncomfortable dilemma when the numbers are bad for his candidates. But he wanted to open his books, if only for a peek, to demonstrate a phenomenon happening across the political spectrum these days: His polls look nothing like polls Democrats are conducting.
It’s a constant refrain from both sides these days. The two parties, the outside groups that are playing such a big role this year, and even some candidates themselves are so dubious about their own numbers that they are employing two pollsters for one race, using one to double-check the other. What flummoxes them even more is that their own party’s pollsters are getting similar results, while the other side is offering a completely different take.
Whether it is the presidential contest or battles for critical Senate and House seats, the smartest pollsters in the business have spent the past three weeks looking at exactly the same data and coming to dramatically different conclusions.
That can be explained, in part at least, by the volatile history of the last three election cycles. The nearly decade-long erosion of trust in government, the economic recession, the collapse of the housing bubble and the partisan brawls in Washington are all factors that contributed to three straight wave election cycles. Elections in 2006 and 2008 overwhelmingly favored Democrats. The 2010 midterms overwhelmingly favored Republicans.
This year, there’s no wave cresting the week before Election Day, meaning Tuesday’s results will reflect the will of a deeply and bitterly divided nation, roughly the same thing we saw in 2004. We’re about to see the new political normal – but after six years of dramatic waves, no one really knows what normal is supposed to look like.
Democrats argue that history shows an inexorable march toward a larger and more diverse electorate. In every election since 1992, the electorate has grown. Bill Clinton won when 83 million people cast a ballot in 1992; 100 million were cast in 2000; and 129 million ballots were cast in 2008.
And while voters tell pollsters they hate politics and politicians, their actions don’t tell the same story. One prominent Democratic pollster suggested a counterintuitive cause: The explosion of cable news channels means politics is available all the time; the constant, unceasing news cycle keeps people engaged; the increased polarization of the electorate means voters identify more closely with their party, their team; and the proliferation of absentee ballots and early voting access makes it easier than ever to vote. That which voters say they hate most may actually be what’s keeping them engaged.
In every cycle since 1992, the number of African American and Hispanic voters has gone up as a share of the electorate. In 1992, exit polls showed 83 percent of the electorate was white. By 2008, white voters made up just 74 percent of the electorate.
There’s no question that President Obama’s 2008 campaign, which focused on turning out new low-propensity voters in minority communities, helped inflate non-white voters’ influence in the electorate. In Virginia alone, the non-white share of the electorate spiked from 21 percent in 2006 to 30 percent just two years later, a virtually unprecedented leap. The question is how many of those voters come back to the polls in 2012.
Republicans and Democrats alike believe the African American vote is unlikely to change between 2008 and 2012. But they differ dramatically on the number of Hispanic voters who will show up at the polls – a key factor in critical battleground states like Colorado and Nevada. Republicans believe turnout will be down, depressed by Obama’s failure to pursue immigration reform during his first term. Democrats think the booming number of Hispanic residents means their share of the electorate will only increase.
The same argument happens over younger voters. In 2008, 18 percent of the electorate was made up of voters between 18 and 29 years old. That’s higher than the percentage has been in recent presidential years, when the youth vote has made up around 15 or 16 percent. Republicans believe the younger share of the electorate will slide slightly, and that Obama will win fewer of those voters anyway.
The manifestation of these disagreements is evident in polling weights. Most Republican pollsters are using something close to a 2008 turnout model, with the same percentage of white, black and Hispanic voters as the electorate that first elected Obama. Most Democratic pollsters are a little more bullish on minority turnout, which helps explain some of the difference between the two sides.
Add in a population that’s changing its habits and pollsters have to contend with additional confusing factors. The number of Americans without land line phones is growing, particularly among younger voters. Those voters are much more difficult to convince to complete a poll, surveyors say.
What concerns Republicans most is the fact that media polls seem to track more closely with Democratic internals than with the GOP’s numbers. Internal surveys conducted for candidates like George Allen in Virginia, Richard Mourdock in Indiana and Josh Mandel in Ohio draw much rosier conclusions than polls conducted for their Democratic counterparts Tim Kaine, Joe Donnelly and Sherrod Brown. And media surveys, at least in Virginia and Ohio, show Kaine and Brown winning (restrictive Indiana laws make polling prohibitively expensive there).
Republicans say their party is a victim of media bias – but not in the standard Lamestream Media sort of way. Pollsters on both sides try to persuade public surveyors that their voter turnout models are more accurate reflections of what’s going to happen on Election Day. This year, GOP pollsters and strategists believe those nonpartisan pollsters are adopting Democratic turnout models en masse.
Regardless of the cause, strategists on both sides acknowledge the difference in their internal polling. Republicans believe Democrats are counting far too much on low-propensity voters and a booming minority turnout that isn’t going to materialize on Election Day. Democrats believe Republicans are hopelessly reliant on an electorate that looks far more like their party than the nation as a whole. The day after Election Day, somebody’s pollsters are going to be proven seriously wrong.
Deep down, both parties secretly worry it’s their side that is missing the boat.

That is entirely not the whole quote. Here is the preceding part you omitted:

From the link you provided.

I realize that this is sort of a silly issue but, just out of curiosity, what do you suppose they actually ended up doing with all of the goods they “collected” given that Red Cross does not accept donated items in a crisis like this? Did any of those goods actually make it to people affected by the hurricane?

This is a great pic…sorry, I have something in my eye…

I think it’s kind of misguided to pretend that the extreme partisanship is onesided. I mean, hell, we can look at these forums to see the kind of demonization of the right that comes from the left.

On a more public level, I’d point to Pelosi’s interview on the Daily Show from about a week ago. Her rhetoric was so insanely partisan that John Stewart was visibly uncomfortable.

It’s definitely interesting to see the left suddenly warm up to Christie like they have though, given that previously we’ve had folks make fun of him being fat and stuff like that.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens in 2016, if Christie ends up running against Biden, whether the folks on the left still like him.

It should have just said: “Partisanship…All one side’s fault”. AMIRITE?

Of course they won’t. Politics is a team sport - the guys said some nice things about the liberal team captain, so he’s alright for today, but that certainly won’t last 4 years.

It’s moot anyways, as he’d have to get through the Republican primaries and I can’t image that’ll be easy after saying nice things about the foreign, socialist, muslim, america-hating president.

That is a correct assessment; you are rite.

I stand corrected. I visited a couple of articles and missed the preceding bits.

That said, I am not really entirely sure what he is saying in those preceding bits. The president was encouraging everyone to take the storm seriously, to listen to authorities and their calls to evacuate, and people were blowing it off? I can’t seem to parse the criticism.

But, still, yeah, if I were that guy I’d probably avoid interjecting my opinion on the proper response to natural disasters.

The Red Cross sent a nice letter thanking them for their support, and reminding everyone that they prefer monetary donations.

I am sure the stuff is sitting in storage somewhere. The Red Cross will probably dole it out to local charities when they get around to it. They aren’t going to be futzing with cans of creamed corn when millions of people have no power.

The real answer is that something actually happened, so everyone took off their clown masks and had to do some real work. See also 9/11. The main problem with American politics is that we have it so good we have to get incensed over silly shit just to feel like we’re doing something.

Did they actually give it to the red cross, or did they send it to some other charity group? Seems like there are probably some groups that handle stuff like that.

I’ll be honest in that I was hoping the text would’ve been a bit more balanced, but all that aside, the picture itself is pretty powerful, and that’s what I was moved by.