But the point remains that the objections weren’t based on hating whatever the opposition puts forth, or hating veterans, or whatever simplistic demonizing rationale Democrats want to ascribe to Republicans.
Houngan
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Universal, except it never happened. Well played . . .
Also, an idiot is someone of low intelligence, and frankly Bush fits that term pretty well. “Retard” is a slur against mentally retarded people, a congenital condition, and neither Bush or Obama are mentally retarded. It’s the difference between “black” and “nigger.” Is that a trivial semantic difference?
It’s almost like he actually believes this.
The other words and names you mention are not “retard”.
Thanks. We’re done.
Yes, but the point that is being made (or at least attempted) is that the de facto ideological leadership of the GOP have said (and continue to say) things like this on hugely popular shows.
As Two Sheds said, there is a vast, vast difference between Coulter saying “Obama is a retard” on Hannity and Tin Wisdom saying “Bush is a retard” on a sub-forum of a gaming site.
Now, the valid point that has been made in previous posts is “Well, there are some less-popular pundits like Obermann who are plenty vitriolic, they’re just not as popular as Limbaugh, and you can’t blame their lack of popularity on the GOP.”
That’s not a bad point. Unfortunately it leads to only three possible conclusions:
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The Left is not as good at being irrationally spiteful as those on the Right.
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“The System” is somehow suppressing Leftist spite-speech and/or making it easier for Rightist spite-speech.
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The audience of Leftist spite-speech isn’t large enough to sustain a genuine celebrity, while the audience for Rightist spite-speech is large enough to sustain several.
#1 would make me feel better about myself, and #2 would be pretty cool (from a logistical standpoint), but Occam’s razor tends to point to #3.
It’s not hating veterans - it’s obstructionism. Whether it’s this particular bill or any number of proposals, it’s the same thing: Can’t do it, horrors, debt! If the objection is accountability, then address that. If it’s cost, remove the tax subsidy for oil companies (along with a host of other corporate welfare), take half of it for reducing deficit and the other half for job creation or education or retraining or whatever.
Compromise does not mean “Do everything our way.”
Unless I’m getting my Warrens confused (which is possible) I think he might have once been able to plaster “Bush is a Weenie” on a wall in a Gears of War game, if he’d been able to sneak it past QA. I’m not thinking that’s quite the same.
By similar logic, I’m hoping that next election term since national media figures and random internet folks are roughly equivalent, I’ll be asked to host the presidential debates. I relish the opportunity to tell both candidates:
“Look, fuckwits. Quit spitting out the same old talking points we’ve already seen four billion times due to the lunacy that is Citizens United, and tell us what you would actually do, in concrete terms, to address this problem, provided congress and the senate served as a rubber stamp for your platform.”
Really? In all earnestness, this argument would get you failed out of logic class on any campus worth it’s salt. Think about how the two statements contradict each other.
That’s… scary.
Can I change my vote now? The biggest problem with American politics is the American people. Clearly. (Though I did enjoy that Obama’s father was a communist muslim atheist. I had not known that previously! :) )
Timex
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I’m actually just saying that the left does it. Indicating that their “leadership” does it would certainly be something… but just pointing to folks here who are actually on the left, and showing through example that they are actually doing it?
That’s actually an even more effective demonstration… because it skips a level of indirection. It’s not merely pointing to some “leader” and saying, well that person said this… and they have lots of listeners… and thus lots of people must believe it.
I can just point to most of the posters on the forums, and say that they have directly demonstrated that they believe it.
Unless people are then going to suggest that they themselves are actually crazy ass extremists, and not indicative of the left as a whole? That they themselves are just the bad-apples of the bunch?
As Two Sheds said, there is a vast, vast difference between Coulter saying “Obama is a retard” on Hannity and Tin Wisdom saying “Bush is a retard” on a sub-forum of a gaming site.
So, then you are actually making the argument that I just listed above?
That “the left” as a whole isn’t actually crazy inflamatory (despite the fact that I’ve listed various statements by Olberman which obviously are, but merely lack the exact word “retard”), but that the posters here are especially extreme and inflamatory?
Houngan
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I’ll let others flense your shoddy logic, but re: the Olbermann fascist thing, here’s what he actually said:
“The Congress must pass liability protection for companies believed to have assisted in the efforts to defend America.”
“Believed.” Don‘t you know? Don‘t you even have the guts Dick Cheney showed in admitting they did collaborate with you? Does this endless presidency of loopholes and fine print extend even here, too? If you believe in the seamless mutuality of government and big business, come out and say it. There is a dictionary definition, one word that describes that toxic blend. You‘re a fascist—get them to print you a T-shirt with “fascist” on it.
What else is this but fascism? Did you see Mark Klein on this newscast last November? Mark Klein was the AT&T whistleblower. The one who explained in the placid and dull terms of your local neighborhood IT desk, how he personally attached all AT&T circuits, everything, carrying every one of your phone calls, every one of your e-mails, every bit of your Web browsing into a secure room, room No. 641A at the Folsom Street facility in San Francisco, where it was all copied so the government could look at it.
Not some of it, not just the international part of it, certainly not just the stuff that some spy, a spy both patriotic and telepathic, might able to divine, had been sent or spoken by or to a terrorist—everything.
Every time you looked at a naked picture. Every time you bid on eBay.
Every time you phoned in a donation to a Democrat. “My thought was,” Mr. Klein told us last November, “George Orwell‘s ‘1984.‘ And here I am, forced to connect the Big Brother machine.”
If there‘s one thing we know about Big Brother, Mr. Bush, it‘s that he, well you, are a liar.
So yeah, when a President wants a rubber-stamp pardon for telecom companies that are illegally gathering intelligence about the general citzenry, that does indeed smack of fascism. If that’s the level of relativity that you feel justifies a comparison to a slur, then can we please talk a bit about the word “socialist?”
WarrenM
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Whoah, whoah, bring those goal posts back over here. What are you doing?
But the points you are arguing are not the points being discussed. Nor are they particularly germane to the subject at hand.
No one here would claim that insulting things have NOT been said about the GOP and/or Romney. The fact that private citizens in obscure forums say semi-anonymous nasty things is not a particularly contentious issue.
Haha, “sudden danger signs.”
Oh they’re the replacement goal posts which have been taking photographs of the ball. The originals are on display in his hall.
Jason - I was amused by “like hell” at the bottom. Good Christians!
After the last president being unable to do his in a similar situation, I can certainly understand an extra-appreciative tone.
WarrenM
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Loved this:
“Until its waves crashed into the New Jersey shore, the election was well in hand for the Romney campaign.”
… What?
Fucking ACORN and minorities and their voter fraud!
Oh, wait.
Oh shit. Please don’t have Dick Morris predicting an Obama win. No no no no no no.
