1621

Does this sort of thing bother you as much when Romney and Ryan do it?

1622

You slackjawed cocksucker.

1623

Hah, I wouldn’t even know where to begin on analysis, that’s why I’m reading this thread, many of y’all are way better at it than I and I wanna learn. I’ve only begun to pay attention to politics really over the last few years, so I feel like a total n00b. ;)

Thank you, you facefarting asslicker.

1624

Yes, although perhaps their lies haven’t been quite as crazy as some of Biden’s.

I generally distrust most politicians, and assume they’re lying at this point. So, in that way, Biden isn’t really special because he lies… he strikes me as special because he seems to just spew out lies and gaffs whenever he’s on camera.

Romney certainly looks like he wants to be a contender for biggest gaff machine though… although his gaffs seem like they’re less centered on him lying, and instead derive themselves from his telling the truth about what he actually believes.

1625

I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop. I’m having trouble believing the Romney campaign is as bad as it appears to be:

Though Ryan had already decided to distance himself from the floundering Romney campaign, he now feels totally uninhibited. Reportedly, he has been marching around his campaign bus, saying things like, “If Stench calls, take a message” and “Tell Stench I’m having finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan and will text him later.”

Hearsay, but believable.

1626

It’s not a semantic argument - you told me up above that you are questioning his ability to tell the truth. That’s literally questioning his sanity.

Oh, he’s said lies and I’m sure he’ll say more. As Hugin mentioned, and I’m pretty sure everybody here realizes, he’s a politician and lies come with the territory. Of course, I’ve said lies plenty of times before in what you would qualify as stupid and/or crazy moments (and I’ve ben alive only a little longer than he’s been in office). I’ve also been bluntly honest when I shouldn’t have been. All of that is part of being a typical imperfect human. Politicians pretty much by neccesity have to lie more often. It’s a sad state of affairs that’s the case, but it’s still true. Whether it’s an issue of being diplomatic and putting on a false front to accomplish a greater goal, or if it’s a matter of blasting your opponent with an out-of-context remark to score points with voters, lies will always be a tool of the job.

1627

Nothing else can happen! History is full!

1628

Spoiler alert: He doesn’t believe anything. Can’t you see that? In ten years he has passed gun control, come out against gun control, passed universal healthcare, come out against it, supported abortion, is now against it, supported the personal mandate, is now against it, called the ER mandate socialism, is now for it, etc.

Supreme dissonance in a single paragraph:

“I admit this, he has one thing he did not do in his first four years — he’s said he’s going to do in the next four years — which is to raise taxes. And is there anyone who thinks raising taxes will help grow the economy? No!” His plan is to continue what he’s done before. The status quo has not worked. We cannot afford four more years of Barack Obama. We’re not going to have four more years of Barack Obama.”

1629

OK, that’s a laugh out loud moment there. Literally.

1630

I dunno. I haven’t actually seen the primary source on that, and it smells like the kind of rumor that could be tactically dropped by the Obama crew right around now, to spread the aroma of desperation yet further. Perception is nasal reality, you know.

Also, I think the Republican field was so weak this year precisely because the saner Republicans recognized what a shit salad the Tea Party was cooking up, electorally speaking. With the base in a rabid froth over Obama being in the White House, no honestly moderate Republican could possibly have survived the primaries, and anyone even trying would have done major damage to their personal brand. Just look at Huntsman.

Meanwhile, Obama is still surprisingly popular and historically significant already. Basically irresistible force (Tea Party) vs. immovable object (Obama), with all GOP 2012 candidates crushed into paste in the middle. Not surprising that Romney, with no skeletal structure at all, is the sole “survivor.”

2016 will be a whole different ball game; the Tea Party will be much weaker, having failed to win the nation over this year, and Obama will be out of the picture, making it a much more even fight.

1631

It’s not a semantic argument - you told me up above that you are questioning his ability to tell the truth. That’s literally questioning his sanity.

Ya, I think he’s a compulsive liar… Not actually a sociopath, but someone who can’t help lie. Maybe that constitutes a mental problem?

Spoiler alert: He doesn’t believe anything. Can’t you see that? In ten years he has passed gun control, come out against gun control, passed universal healthcare, come out against it, supported abortion, is now against it, supported the personal mandate, is now against it, called the ER mandate socialism, is now for it, etc.

I guess that could also be an explanation… that basically, he just says words without regard for whether they are true, or even what he’s saying. He’s just babbling whatever pops into his head.

1632

Exactly.

Ah, here’s the better quote.

1633

I got a DVD in the mail yesterday. It was apparently this -

Elsewhere in GOP Cloud-Cuckoo-Land, “birthers” have been usurped by an even more preposterous conspiracy theory. No longer is President Obama a Kenya-born usurper. According to a lurid DVD entitled “Dreams from My Real Father,” he’s actually the illegitimate spawn of a black American communist.

Featuring crudely doctored photos of Obama’s mother in a dominatrix costume, the fool thing’s supposedly being mailed to millions of swing-state voters—an apt successor, the blogger Digby points out, to the “Clinton Chronicles,” the late evangelist Jerry Falwell’s smear of Bill Clinton as a drug smuggler and a murderer. I wonder who’s paying for it.

It went in the trash.

1634

Check the byline. It’s a Roger Simon story. Roger’s an old school journalist, he doesn’t make stuff up.

1635

Except when he’s writing satire. Read the whole article; he literally includes a note at the end to assist the satirically-impaired.

1636

So he did. Nevermind!

1637

BTW, key crosstab from this morning’s very bad Quinnipiac poll that should be giving Romney nightmares:

[i]Ohio voters were asked: do you think the government loans to the American auto industry were mostly a success or mostly a failure?

Mostly a success: 62
Mostly a failure: 30

[/i]

Hard to overcome that in a state where they build a whole lotta cars.

1638

How would you classify his comments in this CNN interview from Tuesday:

Romney says that his ads are 100% factual and any time an error is brought to their attention, they immediately correct it. Called out on the Welfare ad, Romney says

“Look, it’s been shown time and again that the president’s effort to take work requirement out of welfare is a calculated move.”

This issue has been so thoroughly debunked that either Romney is lying (in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary no less) or he just flat out does not understand the issue. The latter possibility would be inexcusable given that he is making the issue a centerpiece of his campaign ads.

1639

To be fair, Politico isn’t known as a humor site, Simon isn’t known as a humor writer or satirist, the article was written under the heading of “Political Column”, not “Satire” or “Humor” , and the note at the end was added later, after a dozen news outfits and political blogs picked up the article as fact.

So, folks messed up, but it wasn’t quite as obvious a boner as it might seem at first.

1640

Gallup daily tracker–which has been giving Romney a glimmer of hope by having the race very close–just fell into line with other polls:

Obama +6, 50-44