I realize that it’s counter-intuitive but populism works. Who won the 2016 election? The person with more money? Still, I’m no oracle, I don’t know.
Because they are the two monied interests most in bed with the Democrats that are also hugely destructive to the lives of average Americans. Thought that was sort of a gimme, but waddareyagonnado?
Federal judge just re-opened voter registration in the Georgia 6th. That’s fun.
Wow, any expectations of how that will affect the race? Seems like it should help Dems quite a bit given how excited/determined/active/cantthinkoftheword they are right now.
I mean, it could be no affect whatsoever…or who knows?
But…it was civil rights groups, including the Georgia NAACP that brought the suit to reopen registration. So yeah, can only help Ossoff, I would think.
Great news then. We really need to start scaring House R’s so that they stop this shit they’re doing like the AHCA.
According to this argument, the Democrats should sell out just as much as the Republicans though, right? Then we could get the same amount as the Republicans.
Regulations? Environmental protection? Social safety net? Screw that crap, they all hurt bri… donations received by the democratic party. We will never be able to win unless we get the same amount of money as the republicans after all…
Yeah if you want to look at Dirty Money, you’ll find the list is a lot longer than that. Do you know what happens when the Democrats stop taking money from Wall Street and Pharmacy, they’ll just join with the unregulated churches and start filling the GOP coffers before the Democrats can hit the streets and hope to get more grass root money. They won’t even have to think twice about it because we took away option A entirely.
Look, I am all for an excited voting base, grass root donations and all, but keeping the momentum for three years is hard. Rejecting money doesn’t make it go poof, it just shifts where the money will go. And If you want a list of Dirty Money, maybe come up with a list that isn’t just two talking points for Bernie and the GOP. Oil, agrochemical… i mean there is a large list on the left but the top two were just the ones directed at Hillary.
Sell-out. According to whom? The Republicans seem to be pretty pleased with what they bought. They wouldn’t consider it selling out. I’m sure they’d be thrilled to get money from the laundry list of evil industries the Democrats target so they can continue getting what they’ve always wanted, restrictions on marriage, having churches able to heavily influence politics without any rules, not having to pay for people they think are just drains on society.
I don’t know what taking from money from Wall Street has to do with the EPA. They seem more interested in bank and financial regulations. It sounds like you want to add more industries to the list already!
The EPA has nothing directly to do with wall street. It has to do with industries that funnel money to politicians specifically so they will reverse EPA protections that impact their bottom line. It isn’t like republicans hate the EPA for religious reasons or due to some moral outrage, they were bought and paid for just like any other investment.
It doesn’t seem like you have any problem with politicians taking large amounts of money from these groups in return for future favors, which you’re free to believe obviously, but other people have a different opinion.
The problem with your logic is that the republicans are always going to one up the democrats with policies that are favorable to these big money groups. The democrats will just not get as many bribes from them unless they completely become republicans.
Let’s clarify something here. I do not believe organizations are people, but that was the ruling. They’re allowed to donate, and it’s not a bribe. It’s a legal thing they’re allowed to do. If you want too campaign against it, go ahead, get it changed for BOTH parties. I think it’s patently stupid for one party to start cutting off sources of revenue like you’re suggesting in the hope that somehow in the future they’ll get money from somewhere else.
You think Wall Street is just evil. I don’t. That doesn’t mean i don’t believe in regulations though. I don’t think pharmaceuticals are evil either. Without them, a lot of us would be dead, but again, that doesn’t mean I want them to continue some of their practices.
It might sweet and sexy to talk about cutting off industries left and right until the Democrats have no one left to actually pay for commercials and all we’re left with is the GOP mantras of fake news and lies about what theyr’e going to do, but it’s not realistic.
The Democrats taking money from some industries does not make them Republicans… that’s just ridiculous to say. And just to be clear, I don’t consider Republicans to be the scum on the bottom of my shoes either. Theyr’e people with different goals. I know in a Trump, Bernie and Hillary world we’re told we have to demonize the other side, but that’s bullshit.
All wings of the Democratic party should push hard in the run-up to primary elections, and I think it’s a positive that the progressive wing is driving the party more left.
But when the general comes, you vote for the D. You can’t be purists in the general, because it’s no longer about your feelings or dreams. It’s about whether people like Trump and Ryan get to run the country.
Just to point out the obvious, but constantly talking about how Clinton is going to lose to Trump helped ensure that Clinton lost to Trump. It’s not like Bernie Sanders rolls around in a bubble; his words influence people.
If Sanders wanted the party to move left, he should have kept his focus on policy, and how socialism is good. Instead he crapped all over Hillary Clinton, and we got President Trump. Although I guess if Hillary Clinton had become President then Bernie Sanders would be seen as a loser, and not as some Cassandra-like prophet.
(A personal anecdote: I used to be strongly against Hillary Clinton, in part because I was an early Obama supporter, and in part because I had sort of vaguely bought into a bunch of right-wing nonsense back in the 90s without realizing it was right-wing nonsense. Witnessing the invention of the Benghazi “scandal” made me realize how artificial all of the other scandals were.)
Sanders captured folks’ imagination and inspired them. Period. It was a powerful thing, but in many ways it was similar to Trump’s appeal. It was more visceral and emotional than cerebral. Hell, remember this ad?
No one could NOT like that ad. It was the best one anyone made, from either party, in years, maybe decades, maybe ever. It makes you feel genuinely hopeful and good. And that’s a powerful thing. And then a fucking bird landed on his podium like he’s in a Disney movie or something.
But it was apparent fairly early that Sanders want going to win… But he, and tons of his supporters, refused to accept it.
For him, I understand. He ain’t young enough to run again. And he put up an admirable fight. Accepting defeat was no doubt difficult.
But the price of refusing to accept that defeat, and then harm Clinton’s campaign by refusing to embrace her, or laughably trying to draw an equivalence between her and Trump, is what has led to today. This is what you get.
Principles and emotion are good, but they cannot replace rationality. The good is not the enemy of the perfect. And you need to be willing to make those hard decisions sometimes, and do what it takes to achieve the best of a situation you may not find ideal.
Nobody said anything about corporations being evil. Corporations aren’t people, they aren’t evil or good. Companies do things that benefit their bottom line. They aren’t handing off suitcases of cash to politicians because they like a good speech, they think they will get a benefit it later. I’m worried about what the politicians are promising to get that money. I’m worried about what happens when the bill comes due and the politician in question needs to cast a vote that affects their donors.
It is a choice for them to accept that money and just like with any choice, it has benefits and consequences.
Whatever the case, this is a belief that isn’t going away and if the 2020 democratic candidate has similar vulnerabilities here, someone is going to be calling them out for it, whether it is Bernie Sanders or someone else.
He did embrace her once it was over. His dedicated supporters just remembered the rigging that was done on Hillary’s behalf by the DNC.
Most people busted because of the DNC, not Hillary. The grassroots folks who decided to work within the system are doing it to overtake the DNC, and I saw it firsthand at the county level.
Either way, 2020 is when we’re going to have to settle this with a round 2 between surrogates. That’s not unhealthy, there are two factions who see a real difference is what should be prioritized.
Some primaries like VA Governor’s race are also battles.
I can trust my candidate, or I don’t. You are welcome to exclude anyone who takes corporate funding. I am going to stick with individuals who are smart, who are proven and who convey messages and policies that resonate with me. I am also going to select a candidate I think actually has a snowball chance in wining and hopefully knows a bit about compromising so we can actually do something in this country beyond just screwing the other side.
Let’s be fair here, the Democrat version of “screwing the other side” is welcoming them to a brave new world of clean air, affordable healthcare, rights for women and minorities, and protection from the economic elites. We could probably do with a little less compromising with the party that would very much like to murder all cancer patients post-haste to save some dough.
Look at this Clintonian neoliberal stooge right here:
It is looking like the Berniecrat vs Hillarycrat civil war continues. This stuff is run very similar is not exactly like the convention I went to. One thing Trump has done is he has made Hillary supporters go out to these things more than they normally would (normally it would be the hardest of the hardcore, who are usually Bernie supporters).
This is probably a good thing, as it prevents a Corbyn situation. That said, the civil war in the Dem party is just going to have to be slugged out until 2020 and I hope the losing side doesn’t end up sore losers. I’ve got some concerns right now.
That said 62 voters out of 3000 is 2%. I don’t think you’ll find irregularities, especially since Bernie types who had influence to start were trying to prevent any sort of rigging before it started. Ellis needs to get over it.