One more one more thing: I often take conservatives to task for not taking numerical magnitude into account. I’ve mocked conservatives for overhyping the impact of wage increases, confusing million, billion and trillion, and so on. Numerical magnitude matters, and, frankly, I just don’t see the evidence of the numerical magnitude on this voter suppression issue. It IS an area of concern where we should fight the GOP but I just don’t believe in overhyping it.

Rounding errors add up. That’s how we got the Superman/Office Space Movie.

But going through the links, you must have stumble on this article.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10780874211005016

We find polling place consolidation reduced overall turnout by about 8.7 points and reduced turnout among the Black population in the city by about 10 points.

I’d be curious to know the impact on voter turnout of deliberately poor / unequal voting infrastructure in poor neighborhoods. I mean things like relatively few polling places, fewer voting stations, fewer voting days, limited mail ballot options, resulting long lines and delays.

The above link talks about that.

Ah, thanks. Seems significant.

That article I believe talks about the impact of Covid related poll closures in the 2020 primary election which makes it a special case not a representative sample. Also I didn’t see any discussion of the offset of increased mail voting during Covid. On top of that it didn’t say what fraction of the population is in the target area. For example if that just 1 or 2 counties it might not be significant.

Bottom line I’m still not seeing the data to back up a fear that voter suppression could cause a 2-3% popular vote margin for the House like we had this year. This year I feel inflation anger drove a GOP house victory.

I’m not saying voter suppression caused the Republican victory in this particular case. I think Republicans actually underperformed vs the fundamentals: inflation, midterm election, party out of power, etc.

On the other hand, I do think voter suppression probably has a real, meaningful impact, all other things being equal.

OK, I see your point on the overall results, thanks for the explanation. I’ll have to agree to disagree though that lopsided gerrymandering (far more districts nationwide seem to be intentionally skewed R than intentionally skewed D) and voter suppression (which doesn’t just include suppression at the polls via things like ID restrictions, but also a host of other tactics to keep people from even showing up to vote in the first place) aren’t having an effect on the outcome of elections. I won’t argue that point though because I don’t have numbers, don’t have time to research them, and honestly am not sure you can even measure such a thing accurately without contacting every single person who didn’t vote and/or isn’t registered and asking them “Why?”.

The real problem with the system is that even though we will have a 51%/49% split in both the House and Senate, which in the grand design of Democracy would seem to indicate a mandate from the electorate that both sides work together and compromise to get things accomplished, that won’t happen because Republicans are no longer interested in actually governing for the benefit of America, but only for the benefit of themselves and their large campaign donors. Compromise and bi-partisan success stories don’t feed the Fox News outrage machine or raise millions in campaign finance. What do you do when one half of your government isn’t really interested in actually governing?

It compares areas with more polling places with areas with far fewer during the same time period in the same state.

You might see the the areas diverge a bit (since it’s not a random sample, you can’t account for everything), but to see them diverge 10 points seems significant.

But general, you can see it as a good measurement of how turn out is reduced by removing polling places.

When you dig into the studies you find how tenuous the data support voter suppression is.

First, you have to look at the big picture. Voter participation of blacks has been steadily rising over the last 20 year and is nearly identical to whites, in most elections and exceeded it (e.g. 2008 election for Obama) in some. This is the same time period when things like voter ID laws became more popular, so if you want to conclude that Republicans were trying to suppress black voters that’s a perfectly logical conclusion. Given the overall trends in voter participation among blacks, it is a pretty high bar to prove that Republican efforts were successful.

Another important trend is that ballot access is improving in the country, vote by mail, no excuse absentee, early voting. The purple west is a leader in this and the blue northeast is the laggard, with the red, South and Midwest being between. The last few elections have seen record turnouts, which goes against the voter suppression narrative.

Here is the thing, it is not that hard to measure the impact of these new laws on voter turnout. Voter records are public records, and academic researchers have pretty easy access to them. One of the complaints about the Georgia law was that it reduce the number of ballot drop-off boxes. So if Steve Smith of 100 E Main st, Macon, Georgia voted in 2018 and didn’t vote in 2022 and he lived in the neighborhood that eliminated dropboxes. You send a pollster to ask Steve why he did not vote. If says, I would have voted but they eliminate a dropbox in my neighborhood, and a higher percentage of black than white say eliminating dropbox, caused me to not vote, while there is your proof. Hell, with enough money, they could talk to every non-voter in the state. Let’s see how many of them say, reducing the number of early voting days kept me from voting, or my personal favorite. "I would have voted but I didn’t want to wait in the long lines, cause nobody could give me water in the hot sun. Mind you all Federal elections are held mid-November, where far is more like to be feezing than over 100.

The Democrats spent 1.3 billion dollars on the Georgia Senate and Governor race. As I’m sure @triggercut will attest if you spent say 5% aka $65 million you could do a helluva of a lot of polling in Georgia among registered non-voters.

But somehow none of the academic research, ever simply asks non-voters why they don’t vote. Instead, they do convoluted studies they look at RID Reasonable Impediments Declaration” and try and make predictions on elections based on demographics.

The cynic in me says Democrats don’t actually want to know this information because railing against vote laws is such a great fundraiser. As Sharpe points out the numbers are just too small. The Republicans typically can find 1/2 dozen cases of attempted voter fraud (ironically almost always Republicans) in a state, and I suspect If the Democrats really looked they could find maybe hundreds of cases of folks who didn’t vote cause of these laws. It ain’t enough to change an election.

Not voting because you couldn’t get to dropbox, ignores the much simpler process of putting the ballot in the mail, or getting your butt down to the polling place during early voting or election day. Oh and if you don’t have transportation, every party has volunteers who will happily drive somebody to a polling place.

Likewise, if you can’t get your act together to get a free state id, which will make your life much easier for a dozen of tasks, especially if you are a homeless person being hassled by the cops, you have much bigger problems in life than not voting. It is disingenuous to claim that these folks would be voting in numbers big enough to impact an election but for getting an id.

I’m going out on a limb here and predict black voter turnout will decrease in 2024 if Donald Trump isn’t on the ballot. It will have virtually nothing to do with election laws, and everything to do with the candidates.

I don’t feel voter suppression is a non issue; I do consider it an area of concern and something to fight the GOP on. I just don’t feel there is good evidence that it is having large impact on actual outcomes. One of the big areas of concern is underfunding voter operations and lack of polling locations, but my understanding is that varies WIDELY by locale to locale and is often highly wrapped up in byzantine local issues.

There is a legitimate issue in that many localities in the US are crippled by bad local or state laws (or charters, or constitutions) that make funding local services very difficult. I’ve talked about this in a few different contexts. We have this bizarre system of “local control” over many things but with the localities effectively crippled in what they can do and in particular how they can tax and fund things. It’s not something that gets a ton of attention outside the local areas, and it’s also really hard to generalize b/c it all varies so wildly from area to area, but it’s part of the weird historical mish-mash of the development of American political systems. And that’s a much bigger issue than voter suppression. It’s one of those “systemic” things that bedevil our system.

Bottom line: we should continue to fight the GOP on voter suppression but not panic about and certainly we should not use it as an excuse for losing elections. For example, despite outperforming expectations this year, we Dems nonetheless lost the House election in aggregate this year. We need to think hard about why and how that happened and what can be done to improve. Given the better performance of Dems in the Senate and in local/state races, I feel that the House was not a 100% foregone conclusion. I celebrate what we did accomplish but let’s focus on how we can do better going forward.

In terms of this year’s midterms, a really solid analysis of what happened with the House is what I am most interested in looking at. Is it as simple as “inflation sucks dudes, deal with it”? Or is there more going on?

So, as a possible capper to these midterms, Kari Lake’s campaign took a case of alleged election misconduct to trial in AZ this week, and the GOP appointed Judge ruled against her decisively. Disclaimer: that link is to a 10 page legal opinion.

Now, despite being 10 pages I do think it’s worth a read for you folks as it is very clearly written and assesses both the relevant law and analyzes the factual evidence at trial in an easy to understand way. And basically it lays out that Kari Lake needed to prove 4 elements in 2 counts (8 elements in total) and she went… 0 fer 8. Complete 0fer.

FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW

Considering all evidence presented, the Court finds as follows:

As to Count II – Illegal BOD Printer/Tabulator Configurations:
a. The Court DOES NOT find clear and convincing evidence of misconduct in violation of
A.R.S. § 16-672(A)(1).
b. The Court DOES NOT find clear and convincing evidence that such misconduct was
committed by “an officer making or participating in a canvass” under A.R.S. § 16-
672(A)(1).
c. The Court DOES NOT find clear and convincing evidence that such misconduct was
intended to affect the result of the 2022 General Election.
d. The Court DOES NOT find clear and convincing evidence that such misconduct did in fact
affect the result of the 2022 General Election.

As to Count IV – Chain of Custody Violations:
a. The Court DOES NOT find clear and convincing evidence of misconduct in violation of
A.R.S. § 16-672(A)(1).
b. The Court DOES NOT find clear and convincing evidence that such misconduct was
committed by “an officer making or participating in a canvass” under A.R.S. § 16-
672(A)(1).
c. The Court DOES NOT find clear and convincing evidence that such misconduct was
intended to affect the result of the 2022 General Election.
d. The Court DOES NOT find clear and convincing evidence that such misconduct did in fact
affect the result of the 2022 General Election.

Therefore:
IT IS ORDERED: confirming the election of Katie Hobbs as Arizona Governor-Elect
pursuant to A.R.S. § 16-676(B).

That’s pretty definitive. Also, the whole opinion is worth reading for a good example of clean, non-polemical, non-obfuscatory, legal writing (AKA the opposite of Alito or Thomas.) This is from my understanding, a conservative Judge, who nonetheless applied the law and evaluated the evidence in a fairly straightforward fashion.

Lastly:

The Court notes the representations of the County Defendants that a motion for sanctions
would be forthcoming

The Court has has no legal obligation to note this so that’s basically a boot on the way out the door to Lake.

Thanks. An enjoyable read. I wish all frauds and hucksters a truly rotten Christmas.

I agree that was a nice Xmas present for democracy, presented in a clear and easy-to-understand, non-snarky manner. Throwing crap at the wall and hoping some of its sticks evidently is not a good way to prevail in court.

We had a special eletion yesterday to fill the seat of a guy who passed before talking office. (D’s) get another seat.

I thought the dead guy was also a D? So we got another vote, but we already had the seat, right?

yeah, we got another vote and narrowed the leeway (R’s) have in passing stuff.