A.I....Blech!

I know I am behind on this, but so it goes when you have a kid.

Jeez this was a mind-numbing flick. I do not expect classics from Spielberg any longer, but at the very least they could be entertaining.

Where in the world did all the money go in this movie’s production? Those wacky post-apocalyptic dog-cycle riders with their crazy Tron rip-off outfits. How about the cycles themselves with the cheap-ass Decepticon chomping action from the doggie head.

Jude Law nearly put me into a coma with his hideous ramblings as they made their journey to Dr. Know.

There could have been more clever gadget dealies. Then there would have been something on the “Wow…pretty cool” meter. OH wait, I forgot the jaw-dropping effect when Joe Giggolo turned music on with a twitch of his head a la Andrew Dice Clay. I think I even heard half of Dice’s “phhht…ckcckk” noise he made after every “joke”.

Haley Joel is great. Couldn’t save this movie though.

I could go on, but why bother. I really want someone to show me what I am missing or what the hell it was about.

I am sure there is a thread on the old boards, but I just saw it on cable and had to air my displeasure. THANKS

Many posters on this board detest Spielberg so you should feel at home. I saw it for the first time today on cable a few hours ago and liked it, though I wouldn’t put it on my top-ten list. I’ve said before on this board that Spielberg has guts to spend big money on movies like these which he knows in advance will not be popular crowd-pleasers. Other mainstream directors are not taking chances like this. He did it in this instance at least in part as a favor to his deceased friend Kubrick, who had been working on the script for almost twenty years, and I admire his desire to pay homage in this way.

I agree with you that Osment was amazingly brilliant; unlike you, I liked Jude Law and liked the special effects and cinematography. William Hurt was also memorable (as he always is) in the Geppetto puppeteer role. I don’t understand what you didn’t like about the effects. Spielberg is always good at effects; if anything, the usual criticism is that he is too much spectacle and not enough heart or intelligence. For example, I looked closely at the seamless transitions between human and robot and couldn’t figure out how they were done, but they were realistic and impressive.

The problem most people have with Spielberg in his later movies is that he excites your expectations by making movies with important themes, but he doesn’t always have much to say about these themes. In this movie, for instance, Spielberg asks important questions like the following: Can a machine ever learn to feel emotions such as love? What separates true emotion from a response to stimuli? If a robot learns to love, will a human love the robot back? Does being human require that the person be unique, rather than one of many other identical robots? Like elves (Geryk are you reading this?) how might a robot feel if it outlives its humans?

As in Minority Report, Spielberg plays with these big themes, but viewers expecting answers to or a deeper understanding of the questions will be dissatisfied. Just as Minority Report was essentially simply a Hitchcockian thriller, I saw AI as simply a reworking of the Pinocchio fairy tale. (AI is also based on an Aldiss short story which I haven’t read.) As in Pinocchio, a toy is made by a toymaker, the toy seeks to become human, it has various adventures, and it eventually succeeds in its quest after a journey to the depths of the sea. (In Pinocchio, Geppetto and Pinocchio end up together in the belly of a shark.)

The ending in AI as much darker though than in the Pinocchio fairy tale. In Pinocchio, the puppet becomes human after sacrificing fifty coins to rescue the Fairy with Azure Hair. In AI, David becomes human only after the Blue Fairy crumbles. He is now the only entity alive who remembers the humans. He is enabled to resurrect his mother, knowing that she will live only for a day, she tells him that she loves him, and he becomes human. He now can sleep, which he couldn’t do before as a robot, and he remembers her in his dreams (shades of Proust).

I’m reluctant to read too much into this ending, although I might have more thoughts after time for further reflection. View Spielberg primarily as attempting to address the important questions and themes he raises, and you’ll probably view him as a dilettante who dabbles in waters too deep for him. View him primarily as I do as a skilled teller of adventure stories (Hitchcockian thrillers, fairy tales, war stories, Indiana Jones!, etc.) with great spectacle and, on occasion, a heavy thematic undertow and you’ll like him better.

I have seen rumors in print that Spielberg will make another Indiana Jones movie. Inquiring minds want to know: Will all of the Spielberg bashers on this board find fault with that too?

How many endings does AI have, exactly? I lost count. Just when you think it’s wrapping up, something else pops up to bamboozle you further.

It should have ended with him wishing to the Blue Fairy… forever. Pathetic? Yes. But not really… know why? Because the parents were right to abandon him in favor of their fleshy and boney sonny! All emotions you feel for Haley are because he’s an object. Because he’s not a real boy! He cannot love! He’s a machine! He can only pretend in a scary and single-minded machine way. And the movie kept driving that home. Again and again. Like when, for 1000 years he sat at the bottom of the sea wishing an impossible wish to a hunk of frozen plaster! A MACHINE! Unlike Pinocchio there is no magic to set things a’right. Instead… there’s spindly future androids and Tony Hopkins and the uber-narrator. Bah.

(I think Jude Law was fantastic though.)

Yeah…he’s a machine…so we should throw all semblance of hope out the window. Never mind that the movie also drove home how HUMAN these machines really are. Face it Bub, just like Sexy Beast, you didn’t “get it”.

–Dave

Come on Long, you can do better than that. Last time we had this argument you claimed I didn’t “get” AI because I didn’t have any kids and had no concept of parental love. You’re shirking here.

BTW, if you have not already guessed this thread is SPOILER filled. :)

I did not mean to come down so hard on Spielberg as generally I like his films. I agree they do not answer many questions, but they are fun rides. Not this one. I really liked the beginning of the film. I thought the whole “adventure” portion throughout the meat of the movie was dull. I just think he could have done more with it. I mentioned the doggie cyclists and the entire flesh circus scene was an interesting idea that seemed to stall.

I like Jude Law usually as well. Maybe by the time he did his schtick I was put out already. The Mr Know scene, Joe walking up alongside the helicopter and then David having him hop in after he had spun 'er around a couple of times to free him…I guess it could just have been me or my mood, but they all seemed to be merely moving the story along and not really adding much excitement, tension, and/or interest for me.

Maybe if the Pinocchio re-hash had not been so blatant. Re-telling of age old tales I like, directly referencing said tales bugs me. I realize this may have been in the original short story so some of my blame can easily be transferred to the movie’s source material.

He was just fed up and bashed the shit out of the other David? He seemed so meek until that point, but at least it sparked my interest. That caught me off guard and then it was back to the tired journey.

The swooping in of Aliens and the hair in the bear and the one day with Mommy made my wife cry. All of which sealed the deal for me. I agree with Bub. It should have ended with him being frozen and staring forward forever.

I did forget about Teddy until now. Teddy was the best part. I liked the thought of an A.I. bear who could mend himself and keep kids from getting into trouble when parents are not around for guidance. More than the thought of an A.I. boy, I guess. If Teddy had been the central character in A.I., maybe my whole tune would be different.

Maybe they could do a prequel starring Teddy. He sounds like he has been around the block. Maybe show his story. Maybe he was a bouncer at a strip club and they could call it T 'n A.I. Sorry about that. Maybe I shouldn’t type everything that pops in my head.

What can I say…your lazy regurgitation of old comments required a lazy reply. ;)

–Dave

Ty, those were “future androids”, sort of the progeny of the kid, really, based on the design that created him, not “aliens”. But I thought they were aliens too, originally. The narrator really could have made that clearer. Oh, another thing, any movie that needs that much narration at the end has failed on some very basic level.

Ty, those were “future androids”, sort of the progeny of the kid, really, based on the design that created him, not “aliens”. But I thought they were aliens too, originally. The narrator really could have made that clearer. Oh, another thing, any movie that needs that much narration at the end has failed on some very basic level.

Ohhhhhhh! That makes more sense. I must have tuned out a little there as I thought/hoped the end was near. I apologize for my misplaced irritation over that point. My point about Teddy’s Hair of Mommy Day still stands, however.

What can I say…your lazy regurgitation of old comments required a lazy reply.

–Dave

Dave - :P. I was not here for old discussions so I must apologize again for wasting your precious time with my views which you could have just as easily ignored. Thanks for your thoughtful replies thus far. Especially, the last one which revealed many of the errors in my simple-minded analysis.

At the end of AI some guy in the audience yelled: “What the f*ck?!”

That pretty much sums it up.

Interesting. Could you lay out how this was hinted at in the movie, because I totally missed that and thought they were aliens also.

I’m pretty sure they mention something about reconstructing their past and that David is their link. I haven’t seen the film since I went opening week in the theatres though.

–Dave

“What the fuck?!??!!”

 -Tom

The android connection was hinted at through the faintly visible circuitry and video displays embedded beneath the “skin” of the, uh, future-y robot-y non-alien-y things. I’m thinking they could have just avoided that whole mess by ending it at the underwater scene with the blue fairy.

Oh, and what Tom said.

  • Alan

See they also could have been reconstructing the past if they were aliens. Or Alien Androids. See? Narrative failure made even worse because they had a goddam narrator! :)

What narrative? I mean, picaresque only takes you so far.

Luckily, there’s no SPINACH in the ocean.

Exactamundo

I don’t get it. Is this some Popeye reference?

Bub,

If you see a little movie called AI, you’ll note a scene in which David chokes on spinach.

 -Tom