A Song of Ice and Fire


#2061

I also think the same is to be said of the books. 4 & 5 can’t hold a candle to the first trilogy.


#2062

I tried reading these. I think I made it through two, and part of the third? Can’t recall. Tried watching the show. Just could not do it. I mean, I spent nearly twenty frickin’ YEARS reading Wheel of Time, and never was able to finish the last few Sanderson-penned books. I burned out, hard. With this series, the unrelenting (and to me, too in your face and somewhat pandering) grimness and self-conscious “adultness” of the story just wore on me rather than intriguing me.


#2063

Well, depending how far you got in the third book you might have missed the best plot point on the series and what I think makes the first three books a worthwhile read.


#2064

Can’t recall, but overall, Martin’s writing did not click with me, overall. Different strokes, etc.


#2065

2nd act, mid-trilogy stuff. Book 4 has pacing issues, but there are some truly fantastic scenes throughout it, some of the best in the entire series. Both 4 and 5 reward rereads. GRRM is often too subtle for his own good. But, yeah, book 3 will be nigh impossible to ever top.


#2066

I do think the first three books are excellent, but that excellence was followed by, in my opinion, two pretty crappy books. GRRM created a world so large with everything co convoluted that he has no idea how to finish it.

The TV show was faced with the same problem. I don’t think there is any reason to expect an ending that will please everybody. I do think though that the show runners should have seen this coming and been prepared for it. I imagine they thought they would have book 6 to work from at least.


#2067

The good news is that the fire that’s perhaps been flickering these past several years is now burning brightly, as Martin says he’s making the book a priority. “ The Winds of Winter is next,” he said, “then I’ll decide what comes after that – whether it’s to go on to A Dream of Spring , the last one, or whether I switch back into Fire and Blood II , do another Dunk and Egg story or two. But I’ll worry about that one thing at a time – that’s too far ahead.”


#2068

At this point I’ve given in to the pessimism of the rest of the internet of him ever finishing the series, but I really do hope he gets to finish Winds of Winter. I really enjoyed Book 4 and 5 a lot, so getting his vision of the series for at least one book that’s written after the TV series already jumped ahead is going to be very interesting if it ever happens.


#2069

LOL, ok George, now go back to your football game. Sure, sure, it’s a priority now, ok buddy. Have some soup, ease back in that recliner. There you go.


#2070

Sure, switch over to other projects, you’re only 70, lots of time left to waste.


#2071

Look, if I’m brutally honest, I’m surprised he is still alive. I saw him years ago in a sign event, and he looked damn old, and all that weight can’t be healthy.


#2072

This is fine actually, I use this excuse at work all of the time. Since my team plays 1 night a week, I need to miss work the entire week.


#2073

So John, any interest in Fire and Blood?

Since it’s not a novel, my own curiousity level is really low.


#2074

Got it pre-ordered. Would vastly prefer it was WoW but it’s lore, can’t resist.


#2075

I don’t know if anyone caught the GRRM interview on Colbert the other night. Colbert didn’t chew him a new one or anything, but he was none too gentle about pointing out that the new Fire and Blood clocks in at 700+ pages while it’s been MANY years since we’ve had a new Ice and Fire book.


#2076

His vibe is so much like David Huddleston (who played the ‘big’ Lebowski). Also a bit of Ethan Phillips (Neelix).

edit: Colbert can actually hang in a geek conversation. I’m rather impressed. Letterman or Conan wouldn’t wade in a tenth that deep.


#2077

I would yank his geek card for consistently mispronouncing Tolkien’s name.


#2078

What, ‘Tolken’ as opposed to ‘Tolkeen’? A stickler I see.


#2079

TOKEN

What all you hobbit-fantasizing hippies do anyway


#2080

Thy toes are so hairy. <drool!>