Bahimiron was there and liveblogged the event, which was picked up at westros.org in the So Spake Martinthread in case you wanted to know what he said inside. Apparently he talked for like 45 minutes and took questions. And hates the Patriots.

Wow, what a surprise!!

Somehow I completely forgot about the book being released in July and that I had actually pre-ordered it.

My amazon order was just delivered. What a wonderful surprise.

Nice summary Bahimiron. I was right outside the store in the 90 degree heat staring in the windows wondering what he was saying.

Also, I totally jumped the line and met my sister in-law’s crew. I am a douche, but no one tried to beat me up. She didn’t do her cosplay because it was too hot out.

The Phoenix took my picture with this random goth couple behind me, and I did my best frat-boy pose next to them.

I’m probably reading too much into this, but if Syrio was dead, wouldn’t Martin just say “yeah, he obviously didn’t make it out of that”? Not commenting on it almost makes it seem like Syrio DID make it out of King’s Landing… Probably just wishful thinking on my part though. I’m also rooting for the Hound to still be alive, in truth.

OR he’s just messing with us!

Yeah, LOL, or that!

I just checked on my pre-order with Amazon, and it hasn’t shipped yet. WTF Amazon? Granted, I waited until July 6th to place the pre-order, but they should have received more than enough copies to ship all pre-orders within a couple of days of release you would think, right? I was hoping it would come today or tomorrow so I could start reading this weekend, but I guess that’s not going to happen.

Why bother pre-ordering if the book won’t ship within 48 hours of release?

Woohoo! Met George tonight at the NYC signing and got my copy of ADwD signed!

Perhaps. But I think the deeper answer is that George has learned to be inordinately careful not to comment too much on what he intended in a passage, or an event, or character when the answer is at all equivocal.

What George has learned, especially since 2000, is that his fans will chatter endlessly about what they read, what it meant and where it is all going. And they enjoy doing so. A lot. And that enjoyment tends to fill in the intervening years between publication and has GREATLY added to the word of mouth success of the series. Without that word of mouth success? Game of Thrones on HBO would never have happened. All four of the novels don’t make it to the top #10 bestseller list at the same time. ADwD does not open at #1 on the hardcover fiction list.

George gets that; he absolutely gets it.

I would argue that in recognition of this careful deconstruction and debate by fans, the books have become deliberately equivocal and the easter eggs and misdirection within the POVs have become more numerous and more subtle as the series has gone on. Indeed, the Easter eggs and the subtlety has greatly increased in AFFC and ADwD.

George never fully understood when he wrote AGoT how popular the series would become – or how debated this series would become on the internet. How could he have known?

I put it to you that had GRRM known how carefully his novels would be parsed, there is NO WAY that the clues to R+L=J would have been so obviously underscored in the text of the original novel. It would have been more subtle. But back then, George didn’t know how well the book would be received, nor did he have any idea how the internet would effect its popularity, so he erred a bit on the cautious side and made some of his mysteries a little more obvious than he might have cared to, in hindsight.

One of the utterly remarkable things concerning the series is how everyone reads it and yet so many have profoundly different takes. People have violent intellectual disagreements on what they read and what it all meant in terms of story structure and what it revealed about the backstory, character motives and where the story is headed. Yes, much of this is ASoIaF geeks being geeks in a Geeky way. But the phenomenon owes much to the deliberately equivocal nature and unreliability of the POV structure, too.

The POV structure and its many red-haired stepchildren has paid off in GOLD for GRRM. He knows enough not to come down with a pronouncement from on high. Let the fans speculate and chatter. They like it and it aids in both the fans’ enjoyment of the series and the spread of positive word of mouth.

Don’t kill one of those geese laying the golden eggs, as it were.

Is this going to be the non-spoiler impression thread?

I’ve just started the first book and am not really enthusiastic until now. Maybe it gets better later on but why did Martin think it was a good idea to give his characters complicated names PLUS stupid nicknames.

Eyes of the Dragon impressed me more…

No. Obviously not.

My mom had a hard time following all the characters as well, so she stopped reading it.

I figured that even though there was a separate thread, this one would get spoiled as well, so my advice would be to not read it until you’re done with the book.

I guess if you’ve made it through Books 1-5, you’re going to read #6 so there isn’t much interest in a non-spoiler thread? Positive impressions might inspire me to read it sooner, though.

I’m 40% through, really enjoying it. Slow but steady, very rich writing, alot of expansion of Essos and its history. So far not action packed, so I’m sure there will be detractors since it does not seem to be SoS part 2, but maybe that picks up. Otherwise some well foreshadowed plot points are being developed gracefully, and fan theories are being debunked or confirmed left and right.

I’m at 80% - 90% and the above is still holding up for me; that is, very well done but strangely not ‘action packed’. Lots of unusual events though along with answers to long asked riddles and others still shrouded in mystery.

One thing of note (and not really a spoiler since GRRM mentions this very point in his introduction) is that there is a point at which DwD eclipses the timeline reached in FfC and you start to get a confluence of the two streams again; I thought that was particularly well done and most welcome.

That’s exactly what I mean. With his overflowing style to describe characters, Martin unnecessarily excludes a greater part of his possible audience. I’m also not sure why people describe Martin as more mature than say Eddings. Until now, the sexual parts are irritating more than they are enriching the story IMO.

LOL - I was sort of making a dig there. :) Though my Mom DID tell me that’s why she stopped reading it, for what it’s worth.

To be fair, his descrptions are usually vivid enough that I haven’t had any trouble distinguishing the main characters or most of the side characters, though some of those folks accross the seas names’ get troublesome. Usually a character will speak of a deed or something that I can identify and then it will click just who a given character IS.

Also, the list at the end of the books can be helpful if you are having a hard time following the story and the characters names. I’ve rarely heard your critisisms, to be honest, and while I’ve shared them with other books, I haven’t had any trouble with this particular series. I hope you’ll stick with it and come to enjoy it more, though, it’s definately a rewarding book to get familiar with.

I’m pretty sure she stopped because of the embarrassing sex scenes.

I think the main problem for most folks are the myriad of side characters which are thrown in your face. The jousting tournament at the beginning comes to mind.

Damn, I’m reading the ebook version and my reader is awfully slow, another reason for buying the paperbacks. I will definitely stick with it though. Some of the characters and events are indeed promising.

LMAO - that’s really funny, I hadn’t thought of that but it is indeed possible. :)