Gripping hand: What the fuck do judges have to do with weighing in on extremely scientific areas outside of their knowledge?

JFC

The governors of IL and MA have said they’ll ignore this ruling.

Every sperm is sacred?

If a WASP is wasted, Dobbs gets quite irate!

If so, young men should be forced to wring their undies into a jar in the morning to save for later…

…maybe I shouldn’t give the Gilead regime any ideas.

So, given may past criticisms of this board for its occasional lack of legal understanding, I saw a part of Kacsmaryk’s ruling that is a good springboard for a little legal education, mixed in with some criticism of The Kaz and his terrible opinion.

One of the big parts of this case is that the Plaintiffs are bringing the case 23 years after FDA approval but there is a federal statute of limitations of only 6 years. Statutes of limitation are a “third rail” in law, a “threshold issue” that kills a claim dead, Jim, if you don’t meet the time limit. So how in hell is The Kaz allowing a claim that is 17 years too late?

Well, this is what The Kaz said:

“Simply put, FDA stonewalled judicial review — until now,” Kacsmaryk wrote in his ruling. “Before Plaintiffs filed this case, FDA ignored their petitions for over sixteen years, even though the law requires an agency response within ‘180 days of receipt of the petition.’ … Had FDA responded to Plaintiffs’ petitions within the 360 total days allotted, this case would have been in federal court decades earlier. Instead, FDA postponed and procrastinated for nearly 6,000 days.”

What caught my eye when I read that is what The Kaz is doing here is called “equitable tolling” or “estoppel”. I hear you folks saying “equitable what?” “e-what-el?”

So let’s go back to the foundations of the Anglo American legal system, back to the days of the Anglo-Saxon and Plantagenet monarchs of England. The legal system was slowly formalized over centuries from the tribal and feudal practices of the Anglo Saxon conquest, mixed in with the development of organized Christian structures in England. So, two mostly separate but semi-parallel legal systems developed. There was the “court of law” which was authorized by the legal authority of the monarch (and later by Parliament) and the “court of equity” which was alleged to have power from God by the Church. For centuries there was massive tension between these two systems. For example, the whole Henry Plantagenet “Is there no one who will rid me of this turbulent priest?” business was in large part related to issues of the jurisdiction of courts of law vs. courts of equity.

The courts of law were in theory supposed to follow the law, including common law as written in prior opinions, and statutory law as decreed by the monarch (and later Parliament). The courts of equity were supposed to follow both church law but also to take into account Christian values like fairness, justice, and that sort of thing (in theory). So many of the more “squishy” legal doctrines in our system like “unclean hands” and “estoppel” (if you screw the other side you cannot receive an advantage from that) come from the old church court system.

This divide was eventually resolved by Parliament folding the church courts into the courts of law and now most Anglo-American courts are considered “courts of law and equity”. An example of equity being used in the US recently was Judge Cannon’s shitty opinion on the Trump search - she didn’t rely on any written law for that but imposed an “equitable remedy”. But the Appeals Court slapped the crap out of her and said she abused her discretion.

Equity is one of those deals where bad faith judges can use it to do all kinds of mischief, but there are also centuries of principles on how to apply it and good faith judges can rein it in. There’s a whole discussion to be had about the value of the squishiness of equity (kind of like the argument about pardons) but I’ll leave that aside for now.

So, in terms of The Kaz, that’s what he’s doing on that major point. I have MANY criticisms of his opinion but I have to get back to my Spellforce game so I’ll just say that on this point he is going to lose badly in the long term for two reasons:

1)Equitable remedies have to based on facts and The Kaz’s “facts” are based on the Plaintiff’s pleadings with minimal fact finding and are also just flat fucking wrong. (The drugs are safe, they tested safe 23 years ago and have a safe track record of 23 years. The allegation that the FDA ignored unsafe results is just pure BS. Fuck you Kaz.)

2)He also badly exceeded his discretion, just as Cannon did, in many ways, including making the injunction nationwide, tolling the statute for such a long time, not requiring the plaintiffs to show continuous due diligence and a litany of other issues.

That’s just on this statute of limitations issue. Also, one reason this opinion will not survive appeal is that this precedent on statutes of limitations would be REALLY BAD for corporations; it would allow suits to be brought decades late in many circumstances. SCOTUS isn’t going to allow that IMO.

His opinion on wrong on many other issues, both legal and factual, including standing, remedies, and most importantly on the core substantive fact that the drugs are safe. AND, he throws in a whole “fetal personhood” thing which is probably his real intent in the big picture. That clearly violates even the mega-conservative opinion of Dobbs which said that issue was not for the courts to decide.

Anyhow, a little legal history and education for you folks.

The Texas legal decision is complete nonsense. How a judge could have the power to challenge/overturn the authority of the FDA’s ability to independently work is shocking and wrong. It will lose the appeal so unbelievably hard, but, unfortunately there will be no consequences for the pain this will cause nationwide in the interim.

This shit is exactly counter to how the Supreme court sold the removal of roe v wade, something about how that ruling divided the nation and caused so much ire it needed to go away.

On the contrary, the consequence will be that this judge is going on the shortlist for a Supreme Court nomination by the next Republican President.

The 5th Circuit is kinda crazy though, isn’t it?

A lot will depend on which 3 Judges make up the panel, and also whether the MAGA Judges on the panel (if any) are willing to get Kaz’s stink on them - that opinion is a really bad opinion, factually, legally substantively and legally technically. Probably the worst I’ve read in 30 years of learning and practicing law. Just a complete and utter joke of bias, cherry picking, lily-gilding, and motivated reasoning. I don’t know if 100% of MAGA Judges want that stink on them when it gets reversed (and it WILL get reversed at SCOTUS, b/c if for no other reason, the Statute of Limitations part of the decision is TERRIBLE for corporate America.)

It’s like a contest to discover if, in fact, they are capable of feeling shame!

You make me hopeful.

Hope is the mind-killer.

Or something.

Hey, apparently some judges on the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals do want some of Kaz’s stink on them. Not all of it, but some of it.

Apparently it’s a bit of a split decision.

The order reversing the original approval of mifepristone is stayed pending appeal, because the plaintiff’s challenge was likely not timely.

However the plaintiff’s challenge to rules changes made in the past few years is likely timely, and the order is not stayed with regard to those rules changes.

Those changes primarily went to expanding access. Among other things, they removed the requirement for in-person dispensing (making it available by mail) and they extended the gestational period limit from 40 days to 70 days. Kaz’s order reversing those change will go into effect pending appeal, because the appeals court says the defendants have not shown they are likely to prevail on those points.

Effectively this will serve the anti-abortion agenda, by making the drug very hard to get in states with anti-abortion regimes, and by narrowing the window when the drug can be used.

Self defense from a shoplifter? Sure thing Walgreens guy.

I mean, he was outnumbered 2 to 1. His life was in danger from that shoplifting mob.

National news has finally picked this story up.

A few months ago Ohio did away with August elections citing cost and low turnout. Now they’re setting up an election to the tune of ~$20m in an attempt to make it harder to amend the state constitution - 60% instead of the current simple majority. Coincidentally, there is an abortion amendment expected to hit the ballot this November allowing abortions until ~24 weeks.