Age of Wonders 3

FFA or teams? I’ve never played AoW3 MP, so I’m not sure what the options are.

Whatever options you want!

I’d be in for PBEM as well if there’s still room.

With you I count 6.

Large map is perfect for 6.

I’m thinking if no alliances/no teams is enforceable via a game setting during game creation, that would be the way to go, unless the majority wants to play a 2v2v2 or 3v3 game.

Is there any interest in a parallel comp stomp game?

I just remembered that I’ll be away from my computer from next Thursday till the Monday so I’ll not be able to join unfortunately!

I’m at 32 hours spread out since 2014 and feel the same way. And I loved the original and Shadow Magic. AoW3 never clicked.

But of course folks here describing it as the pinnacle of the series have led me to re-install. I just read through about two years of posts in this threads for starting advice and settled on the most recent:

I’m going to try this. But I’m uncertain on whether to start with cities already on the map.

@Strato recommended this approach, with cities on the map but no building, “City building is off, the focus is on cities for map control… Also, because there was no city building, I decided it was easier to have the map revealed (fog enabled) to at least identify where all the city sites are.”

But @BloodyBattleBrain has recommended the opposite, “Start on a medium or large map, with no cities on the map, and a settler start. You’ll pay attention to the map then, especially MCUs (special sites on the map, such as dungeons, that unlock different building options).”

And of course a third approach is starting with cities on the map, and allowing building. Thoughts on these two approaches, for someone starting out?

By the way, for others starting out, there’s this beginner guide from several years back. Some of the images are missing. I had earlier saved this as a pdf, so if you want it, let me know.

I prefer settling my own cities, but maybe the AI does better with preexisting cities?

Hmmmm

For beginning, I think I’d recommend having no settlers.

So pre existing cities only.

Easy map, large, 4 players including yourself total.

Gives you loads of space and time and no pressure to just mess around.

Go for Human Warlord or Sorceror. Most straight forward combinations.

My preference is no settlers. IIRC that’s how the original AOW1 worked. Mostly though I like it that way because it changes the strategic calculus and makes the game feel a bit different than just Fantasy Civ.

It also gives the world a more “lived-in” feel. Like one is coming into Middle Earth with pre-existing cities and nations already there, instead of a blank slate.

I prefer no settlers, but the ai actually does much better with settlers.

That’s a great way to put it.

Another reason for why I turn off city building is because placing cities isn’t really a strong part of the game for me. Similarly why I set up the AI into teams of 2 teams of 3; I end up in a 3 v 3 v myself. Diplomacy isn’t a strong part of the game either. The world building is great and the AI actually has some brains when it comes to attacking with a decent army.

Thanks all! Cities on the map, no settlers it is! Onward!

The map generator is incredible in this game, you really get a feel for places.

I totally understand where people come from when they say no settlers, but it makes a game of a certain style. You can have a combat-heavy scenario with existing cities and fast research. Meduim map with 4 enemies is a default mode and if there are many neutral cities then it’s all very dynamic.

On the other hand, you can go for a long game. Then you create an empty world, say Large with 4 opponents, and you settle, and you make sure you get all the unique buildings and your units and heroes have a space to get strong. It may turn into a grind by the end when all of your empire continously produces tier 4 units and sends them to a frontline, but by the time you get there you’ll see a pristine world changed by magic and technology. You’ll also probably autoresolve a lot and won’t get a proper feel of your armies. So it’s certainly not for the beginner, just a reminder that unlike Civilization or similar games AoW3 can provide a quite different experience depending on map config.

I’m wondering if part of my problem with AOW3 is that, as an introduction to the series (although I own all the games now), I was playing it like I did a Civ or HOMM game. I’m a builder and prefer the slow ramping up over a long period of time. In AOW3, I felt overwhelmed early and that can be frustrating.

Those tips from earlier would have been useful. I think I didn’t put the effort in because I had so many other games I could skip to instead. I’ll make up for it with Planetfall, I hope.

Most definitely not meant to be played like that.

however, if you really want to do so, look for the extended map settings mod on steam, set your map size to titanic, allow settlers on and choose the map type where you start with a settler.

No existing cities anywhere.

Also, set research and city growth speed to stupidly slow, and you will have effectively recreated a fantasy civ.

get the empire building mod as well for more civness.

Yeah, if I play AOW3 again, I’ll go into it as a conquest game that rewards fast play. Not really my style, but that’s ok. No point in trying to make the game be something it wasn’t designed to be. I should have checked that before diving in and I would have noted it was all domination and combat focused. Looks like the victory conditions are all heavy on the need to have a strong military to either conquer or defend. Clearly my problem. Oops.

Good to know going into Planetfall. At least I won’t make the same mistake.

You jokers and all your talk about AOW3 inspired me to buy the Eternal Lords DLC, I had the other DLC, and try it out.

The game is more challenging, at least from what I remember. Just dealing with the wandering monsters is feeling a bit like whack a mole. I’m trying a High Elven Warlord and in two of the three random map games I started my city was on a big icy patch. The third try the starting location was on fertile ground but not much forest.

Shouldn’t your race start on preferred terrain? Is there a setting to guarantee that?

I believe each race starts with the same number of hexes of preferred terrain around the capital. There can be icy forests. There is also Terraformer spell that lets you grow forests (almost) anywhere you want them.