All good demons go to... um... sequel? - Diablo 3 Announced

Misguided · 2012-06-13T23:49:51.000Z

Murbella:

So why did they junk the idea that the first boss kill gave decent drops? Killing the end boss for the first time and getting low level blues is not exactly a “WOW” feeling.

Agreed. Glad to hear they are changing it.

I didn’t know you had to be 50 to enter Hell. glad to hear I’m about where I’m supposed to be.

Murbella · 2012-06-14T06:29:18.000Z

If you’re supposed to be 50 to enter hell, why is diablo on NM dropping level 42 items…

MrGrumpy · 2012-06-14T06:30:40.000Z

Yeah, I thought it really disappointing you didn’t get rares the first time through on higher difficulty levels. I fought Jay Wilson in Development Hell and all he dropped was crappy blues, too (really, I did, it’s special instance in the cementary)

In a good news/bad news thing, in Inferno got my first legendary since Act II normal and first ever green item (well over 100 hours played.) The bad news? Both were DH crossbows. And of course the ugly - both are <400 dps :/

My SO did score some Lacuni Prowler bracers, which she sold for 6 million. She also got a rare ring with attack speed. She gets all the good loot. :( But, her poor WD dies constantly in Inferno (the WD seems very limited with very few escape options compared to e.g. my wizard) so I guess that’s payback.

I poked my head into Act II. Yeah. Not my idea of fun. I managed to kill an elite pack but holy crap the white mobs are like elites. The poor templar even with 72k hps can’t stand up to anything there. It’ll be interesting to see how it’s tuned after the patch.

DeepT · 2012-06-14T06:33:49.000Z

Any ETA on the 1.3 patch?

Shellfishguy · 2012-06-14T06:37:39.000Z

I guess I can understand not being allowed to pay your WoW sub with the blizzard balance, that’s their main source of income. But it sucks that you apparently can’t use it to buy pets and mounts from the store. And the FAQ doesn’t mention Pandaria, so I can only hope that purchase will be allowed when its time.

Reldan · 2012-06-14T06:43:07.000Z

Daagar:

I don’t see the connection to gambling. It is a cash shop, where players are ‘stocking the shop’ vs. Blizzard just planting the items there. There is no (intentional) risk involved - you see the item you are purchasing, and will receive said item. Unless the in-game blacksmith starts taking real money, of course. The only gamble might be praying Blizz doesn’t nerf your item, or tweak the game in some way that renders your uber item useless.

You’re looking at it backwards. Getting the item to put on the shop in the first place is the gamble. The RMAH is the cashier where you cash your winnings back out, not the gamble itself. Depending on luck you may or may not need to put money into the RMAH yourself in order to get the gear you need to continue playing at the highest difficulties that reward the greatest chance at cash-valued drops.

Also, Blizzard is stocking the shop, as it were. You don’t own anything sold there, and Blizzard is the sole source for creating and granting use of any items. Most people wouldn’t swallow Blizzard selling the items direct, so this gives them a layer of obfuscation while they still pocket huge sums of money behind the scenes. Everything about the game is set up to have players do Blizzard’s bidding exactly as you’re seeing now. You’re playing Poker in Blizzard’s casino with a 15%+ rake, and nobody pays attention to the chips getting swept under the table.

ibdoomed · 2012-06-14T07:48:26.000Z

Ignore me, I was wrong.

Telefrog · 2012-06-14T07:51:53.000Z

Yay! I made $12 on the RMAH. Wooo!

Misguided · 2012-06-14T07:54:41.000Z

Hang on there. First off, if you are selling gold on the AH, they are collecting 15%. More importantly, 15 bucks is 15 bucks. It makes no difference if it came from your credit card or mine (because I bought somthing you sold). If you were using that money to buy a WoW sub, they’d be capturing even more of it.

Shellfishguy · 2012-06-14T07:59:44.000Z

ibdoomed:

I don’t know why anyone would think they could pay a wow sub with blizzard bucks earned from D3. That’s seriously messing with billions of revenue dollars and could collapse it entirely.

Think of it this way.

I bought D3 for a one time fee of $60. Now I can farm as much as I want assuming it’s not a Tuesday and I pay nothing for that. If I then take items I have farmed and sell them for blizzard bucks and then pay for my wow sub, blizzard just lost $15. Multiply by 10 million and you can see how blizzard could bankrupt themselves.

So I’m sure someone is thinking “But the buyer put money into the system so blizzard still got their $15 plus a cut of the sale”. Oh did they? What if the buyer farmed enough gold, then sold the gold for blizzard bucks, then bought the items above. They put no cash into the system. Blizzard got a cut of farming time from someone that didn’t pay a sub to do it.

tl:dr Allowing wow subs to be funded from blizzard bucks could bankrupt blizzard.

Like I said, I understand not being able to do subs with D3 profits. I just want to be able to get the extras they offer for WoW. I’d never drop $25 off my credit card for a new mount or pet, but some side cash earned while playing D3? yeah I’d do that.

ibdoomed · 2012-06-14T08:00:21.000Z

Misguided:

Hang on there. First off, if you are selling gold on the AH, they are collecting 15%. More importantly, 15 bucks is 15 bucks. It makes no difference if it came from your credit card or mine (because I bought somthing you sold). If you were using that money to buy a WoW sub, they’d be capturing even more of it.

Ignore me, I was wrong.

Matthew_Bramblet · 2012-06-14T08:00:23.000Z

DeepT:

Any ETA on the 1.3 patch?

Possibly next Tuesday, or definitely by the 26th; it’s supposed to go live “by the end of the month”. I assume you mean 1.0.3; patch 1.1 comes later, and adds PVP, some class skill rebalancing, etc.

ibdoomed · 2012-06-14T08:01:28.000Z

Shellfishguy:

Like I said, I understand not being able to do subs with D3 profits. I just want to be able to get the extras they offer for WoW. I’d never drop $25 off my credit card for a new mount or pet, but some side cash earned while playing D3? yeah I’d do that.

Ignore me. I was wrong.

Misguided · 2012-06-14T08:03:10.000Z

ibdoomed:

Farmer gets gold.
Farmer sells gold for blizzard bucks.
Farmer buys item from Seller with blizzard bucks.
Seller buys wow sub with blizzard bucks.

See where no cash entered the system?

No, not at all. “blizzard bucks” IS cash. In this scenario, when someone buys gold from the farmer, they are putting money into the system. And if they got BB from selling something, then THAT buyer put the money into the system. Go back as far as you want, money doesn’t materialize out of thin air.

This is like a law of thermodynamics: Money can neither be created nor destroyed, but Blizzard always gets a cut.

ibdoomed · 2012-06-14T08:12:31.000Z

Misguided:

No, not at all. “blizzard bucks” IS cash. In this scenario, when someone buys gold from the farmer, they are putting money into the system. And if they got BB from selling something, then THAT buyer put the money into the system. Go back as far as you want, money doesn’t materialize out of thin air.

This is like a law of thermodynamics: Money can neither be created nor destroyed, but Blizzard always gets a cut.

Ok, I see what your saying. I’ll fix my post.

FieryBalrog · 2012-06-14T20:45:49.000Z

Shellfishguy:

I guess I can understand not being allowed to pay your WoW sub with the blizzard balance, that’s their main source of income. But it sucks that you apparently can’t use it to buy pets and mounts from the store. And the FAQ doesn’t mention Pandaria, so I can only hope that purchase will be allowed when its time.

It’s pretty stupid honestly.

FieryBalrog · 2012-06-14T20:47:51.000Z

Misguided:

No, not at all. “blizzard bucks” IS cash. In this scenario, when someone buys gold from the farmer, they are putting money into the system. And if they got BB from selling something, then THAT buyer put the money into the system. Go back as far as you want, money doesn’t materialize out of thin air.

This is like a law of thermodynamics: Money can neither be created nor destroyed, but Blizzard always gets a cut.

Actually, every time people sell on the gold AH, the 15% gold cut IS destroyed and vanishes into thin air. And gold is being generated by the players.

Yet gold has a relation to the real money in the system.

Real money in the system can’t be “destroyed”, but it exits the system with Blizzard’s cuts.

Misguided · 2012-06-14T20:52:36.000Z

We were specifically discussing real money and the potential for money earned on the RMAH to be used to pay for time in WoW. I was simply making the point that real money (unlike gold) doesn’t magically appear from nowhere.

Murbella · 2012-06-14T20:55:09.000Z

Is it just me or has the server quality been EXTREMELY bad during prime time hours?

mouselock · 2012-06-14T21:18:22.000Z

Just found my favorite item to date:

Cruel Bracer of Cruelty

Which apparently adds strength… and dexterity. So the damn word doesn’t even mean the same thing as a prefix and a suffix. :P