1881

My comment was just that 35% of these people were all “Wah, I’m not paying more for a game I already bought” and I just meant, 35% of those people taking that poll seem to think they will be REQUIRED to purchase items on the AH using real money, which is simply not the case. I was surprised that was an option on the poll, as its illogical, but yet more surprised that over a third of those polled took that option.

Perhaps people taking the poll assumed upon seeing that option, that it was a real thing, and they were going to be charged some sort of subscription or something?

It’s also possible that 35% of people who take polls are always uninformed and stupid. :)

1882

Again, only if they’re idiots and put up a bunch of auctions that won’t move in which case they might get stuck with a few paltry listing fees. The fact that you have to use language like, “it’s a statistical reality” indicates how silly your position is. It’s a statistical reality that some eBay sellers pay out money without making it back. Does that mean that a potential eBay seller should look at eBay in terms of, “I have to pay to play”? No, it just means that they should make sure they put up auctions that are going to sell if they don’t want to risk losing a few nickels in listing fees.

Correct me if I’m wrong but it’s not like Blizzard said you can no longer trade items between players, right? So if you want to barter items for items like you did in D2 then you can still do exactly that.

1883

Absolutely they should think of it that way. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t use ebay, it just means they now have the correct undstanding of how ebay works.

Correct me if I’m wrong but it’s not like Blizzard said you can no longer trade items between players, right? So if you want to barter items for items like you did in D2 then you can still do exactly that.

Again, like I said earlier, if Bleedthefreak meant we didn’t have to use the AH, that’s fine. But the comment was specifically about not understanding the functionality of the AH, not the game more broadly, which seemed to indicate he or she didn’t truly understand how the AH would work or the nature of people.

The idea that out of a millions of players, there’s not going to be a significant percentage that will need to pay additional money to continue to use the AH functionality, is naive at best.

If your comment is that it’s only idiots that will happen to, ok. That’s such a lovely attitude to have in a hobby that’s supposed to be about entertainment.

1884

No, but if they choose not to use real money or engage in RMT, they’ll be paying inflated gold prices which means more grinding in game to use the gold AH or dealing with the inconvenience of the barter system.

1885

Like in a casino, more money exit from player pockets than enter player pockets.

“Everyone a winners”? I doubt it. Maybe if there a few “whales” inyecting a lot of money, then that minority will be turning everyone else in a winner. I doubt it. Most probably using the AH will cost money, not make money. And It will be voluntary, but all F2P are voluntary and make a lot of money.

1886

Again, like I said earlier, if Bleedthefreak meant we didn’t have to use the AH, that’s fine. But the comment was specifically about not understanding the functionality of the AH, not the game more broadly, which seemed to indicate he or she didn’t truly understand how the AH would work or the nature of people.

You do realize how much time you’ve spent attempting to psychoanalyze a single-sentence post, right?

I don’t know what he means. I’ll tell you what I mean:

  1. It doesn’t look like you have to pay anything beyond the box price to play D3 or to trade items in D3.

  2. It seems unlikely that you’ll have to pay anything to use the AH as a more efficient way to trade items. If you do, it will be a few nickels on listing fees and nothing substantial (is it even certain that there are listing fees???).

  3. One of the problems with D2 was that using in-game items as currencies for barter didn’t work out all that well. Trading, using out-of-game currencies, makes a lot of sense but shouldn’t require spending your own money except in the edge case that you end up eating a lot of listing fees before you manage to sell some stuff. If you’re really worried about that (why?) then you should just be smart and sell some no-brainer stuff first. It’s very likely that commodity items like PGems will settle on stable prices that you’ll be able to depend on. Sell your shit instantly at 75% of the market value if you’re really worried.

1887

If by “you” you really mean, “I, StGabe,” then ok. I don’t disagree or agree. The general you is definitely false.

  1. It seems unlikely that you’ll have to pay anything to use the AH as a more efficient way to trade items. If you do, it will be a few nickels on listing fees and nothing substantial (is it even certain that there are listing fees???).

We don’t know what the listing fees will be. But yes we are certain there will be listing fees. It was in Blizzard’s faq. There’s 3 total fees. Once to list, once on a complete sale, and lastly a third if you cash out the transaction. The first two are fixed, the last one isn’t. If you don’t cash out, the money stays in your BNET account and can be used in purchases and listings, but otherwise can’t be retrieved.

  1. One of the problems with D2 was that using in-game items as currencies for barter didn’t work out all that well. Trading, using out-of-game currencies, makes a lot of sense but shouldn’t require spending your own money except in the edge case that you end up eating a lot of listing fees before you manage to sell some stuff.

Maybe they will be edge cases, but I think that will affect more users than people realize.

1888

Man, I just deleted this huge thing I typed up. I’m exhausted. 35.2% of these people are too dumb to own a computer, that’s all I’m saying.

1889

Well, hey, at least you’re upfront about being an asshole.

1890

“You” just means, “anyone who wants to use these features without paying”. Said differently: no one has to pay who doesn’t want to and they’ll still be able to trade items just as they did in D2 or with the new system given that they’re not complete idiots.

Options for someone who doesn’t want to pay:

  1. Find some commody items (items that anyone playing should be able to acquire) that sell easily and put them up for 75% of market value. You now have currency to use for listing fees.

  2. Trade items the old-school way using chat or forums.

  3. Don’t trade items.

1891

No I’m not! Jerk! :)

What it boils down to is no one has to pay anything. At all. Use the in-game currency AH, trade and barter to your hearts content, have fun with what random/cool drops you might get just on your own, and enjoy the game. NO ONE has to pay anything. AT ALL.

You may feel like some people will feel pressured into paying real money, but that’s not a real thing - you DO NOT have to pay ANYTHING outside the box price to play AND enjoy Diablo 3. There is no way you could possibly convince me otherwise, unless I have the game in my hand and can’t get through a boss fight or something without some specific item/type that I need to buy and can only get in the AH for $3. THEN I’ll come back here and apologize personally, after I take a huge shit on my disc and burn it.

1892

You’re moving the goal posts. I wasn’t comparing this to Diablo 2 or using it as the standard. The AH is part of the functionality of Diablo 3. If we are talking about Diablo 3 and what people will pay, then we should talk about Diablo 3.

Options for someone who doesn’t want to pay:

  1. Find some commody items (items that anyone playing should be able to acquire) that sell easily and put them up for 75% of market value. You now have currency to use for listing fees.

That’s dependent on what the listing fees are, but if they’ve run out of money in their bnet account, they will be paying additional money to build that up.

  1. Trade items the old-school way using chat or forums.

I never claimed people couldn’t do that.

Edit: Anyway, we should stop going round and round about this and let the thread move on. I just think it’s quite funny your opinion is, “Only idiots will have to pay money.” That’s the kind of thing that ends up with someone eating their own words at some point. Heh.

1893

Again with this? There’s no guarantee this will happen. You have no idea how many people will be using the RMT AH vs those who just use the normal version vs those who won’t use either one. Saying they’ll be forced to grind more to enjoy the game assumes all sorts of things that you can’t prove.

1894

This thread is like the cure for anyone excited about Diablo 3.

1895

I’m not moving the goalposts. You’re constructing goalposts as you go!

That’s dependent on what the listing fees are, but if they’ve run out of money in their bnet account, they will be paying additional money to build that up.

Which is a total fucking nitpick. At the end of the day is there more or less money in your account? Maybe you were -$0.05 for about 3 minutes while you put up an auction. So… the fuck … what???

1896

Also, Blizzard said they would probably introduce free listings/week for everyone, at least initially.

1897

No I’m not, I’ve been pretty clear my point has been, there’s an assumption of success that won’t hold true over the population of players.

1898

Wait…this isn’t the EVE thread?

1899

Per week? Did they give a timeline? Do you have a link for that?

1900

And the point is that the assumption of success (for non-idiots) is valid if you decide that you’re willing to talk about reality for a second.

If I want to go play on the D2 ladder, even if I suck at D2, I will eventually have items that have value in the D2 trading community (for example, PGems). If I had a RMT AH and wanted to make sure that I could make at least some money off of them, then I could do exactly that.

It’s not like you’re going to have to loot some one in a billion drop just to make money. Or at least it doesn’t seem like that will be the case based on some very simple assumptions derived from the economy of D2. The idea that it will be hard to “succeed” at selling items is the one that requires unfounded assumptions.