Well, it’s all a bunch of anecdotal bullshit, is my factual position. The gun show bits and the Chicago bits are equally poor samples in this context, but they are opposites so I play the game.

I don’t really think that even we, the lofty internet smartypants, are ready to address violence with the gloves off. Race has to come in, privilege has to come in, our incarceration business has to come in, etc. . .

Ooh, ubiquitous “assault rifle” makes another appearance. I wonder how this one will play out. Sounds like a family member. I wonder what the ratio is of people killed with their own guns by family members to people killed by home invaders is.

It’s probably sky-high, if you’re specifically talking about home invasion murders.

There’s no direct home invasion measurement category, but it’s hard to make a case that it’s anything but very rare looking at the various numbers. The relationship of victim and offender in murders, for example: 14% stranger, 32% acquaintance, 19% family, 35% unknown. Not sure what “unknown” really categorizes as when you drill down.

Just a gentle reminder that there are 15000 murders with guns every year. There are lots and lots of events. One new one isn’t anything to bat an eye over. The edge cases are national news now because everyone is sensitive to it. Carry on.

You’re double on that number, Tim. I’m surprised at you! I think it dropped below 8,000 last year.

Meanwhile, in pre-school:

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/kindergartner-suspended-over-bubble-gun-threat-174618051--abc-news-topstories.html

A 5-year-old girl was suspended from school earlier this week after she made what the school called a “terrorist threat.”
Her weapon of choice? A small, Hello Kitty automatic bubble blower.
The kindergartner, who attends Mount Carmel Area Elementary School in Pennsylvania, caught administrators’ attention after suggesting she and a classmate should shoot each other with bubbles.

Now you can’t even find these on the shelf because of the damned preppers!

So anyway, all in good fun, right? Uh . . .

The kindergartner was ordered to undergo a psychological evaluation during her 10-day suspension, which was later reduced to two days. The evaluation deemed the girl normal and not a threat to others, Ficker said.

What the fuck, people?

Oops, I don’t keep any stats handy so I just looked it up real quick. Anyway, that wasn’t the real point of course.

I thought this article by Oliver North was interesting. Written coming from the Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show in Nevada.

There is widespread support for the NRA’s proposal to put police officers in schools. All here endorse the idea of keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and mentally unstable individuals who pose a danger to others.

OK, nothing special there. You’d probably get the same response from anyone on the street these days.

The ideas of pursuing and prosecuting “straw purchasers” of firearms and giving longer sentences to those convicted of violent crimes have wide appeal. There were, of course, some who suggested that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. might have to prosecute himself for straw purchases if it turns out he authorized the ill-conceived “Fast and Furious” gunrunning scheme.

Support for better enforcement of laws we already have. That sounds good. Of course North had to take a dig at the administration as well.

The NY SAFE Act requires law-abiding citizens to pass a background check before being able to purchase ammunition of any kind. One retailer points out: “There is no mechanism for making such a check — no form we can fill out, no way of complying. My lawyers have told us to stop filling catalog and Internet orders from New York Zip Codes until this is clarified. The people who drafted this law spent more time concocting a cute acronym than thinking about how this could put me out of business. Maybe that’s their real objective.”

This sounds like a serious concern to me. Whatever new rules are in place, whether you agree with them or not…I think we can all agree that a poor implementation is a bad idea.

At 3-Gun Nation’s “Rumble on the Range” — where competitors are scored on speed and accuracy in firing a shotgun, a handgun and a rifle — one of the competitors, a U.S. Marine, observed: “This sport cannot happen with small-capacity magazines. Too bad Cuomo and Reid aren’t here to explain why this is a bad thing.” Citizens of the Empire State must now go elsewhere to practice and participate in three-gun competitions.

I can understand this position, although personally I feel that sports need to change with the times. We wouldn’t allow someone to play a sport that involved, say, plutonium nuggets…just too dangerous to bystanders as well as potentially devastating if the material should end up in the wrong hands. Same argument, just a matter of where you draw the line.

Finally, there were numerous complaints that “nobody in politics or the media knows what an ‘assault weapon’ really is.” Perhaps. But there is an organization that does: the National Rifle Association. If the numbers are accurate, more than 100 million Americans own firearms. Yet only 4.5 million of us are members of the NRA. This would be a good time for law-abiding gun owners to join the organization that will fight for the right to keep them.

Plug for the NRA, unsurprising.

There are two issues that I’d have liked to hear opinions on from SHOT attendees. First, who pays for things like the police officers in schools or higher levels of enforcement of existing laws? Second, how do they feel about funding non-partisan scientific studies on the effect of different gun laws? The ATF is underfunded. Police departments are being cut everywhere. The NRA has lobbied to cut funding for studies focusing on firearms, yet it’s impossible to craft effective policy without having more than anecdotal evidence. I’d be interested to hear if the rank and file is in support of these things that the NRA is fighting against.

Yep. I’m sure every single person in this thread has done incredibly stupid and dangerous things countless times throughout our lives. The problem is that those who advocate for more guns in more places because that’ll make us safer apparently think that gun owners are the only people who never make stupid mistakes.

Oliver North criticized someone for a gunrunning scheme?

That sports argument is pretty lame. Somehow the shooting sports survived the 10 round magazine limit from 1994-2004 (unless the pros continued to use grandfathered larger mags but I’d guess those competitions have a level playing field when it comes to mag size). This just sounds like bitching about New York’s new 7 round limit. And we’ll see if that new law stands up to court challenges, especially since it seems unlikely the federal level will go below 10.

We used grandfathered mags and created two new divisions with 10 round limits. 3-gun is the new hotness though and largely arose from everyone buying ARs after the ban sunset and needing something to do with them.

In local shooting sports news, a ton of people showed up to the 3gun match with rimfire guns to save ammo until things die down.

I laughed, nice.

Meanwhile, in New York:

There’s that C-word that nobody wants to admit! This is why I have a lot of respect for Stepsongrapes, at least he has the courage of his convictions.

Im not against guns. I plan on getting one. But I see lots of graphic meme’s about announcing the houses of anti-gun people as being ripe for robbery.

Are gun homes actually more defended than non-gun homes? But if I do then it will be locked away separately from its munitions. It strikes me as unlikely that I will be able to use it in a household invasion situation. It is much more likely to be available in a revenge or a planned murder than defense. And even if defense, if my neighbor fires his gun in defense of his property then Id be worried about my family since most bullets dont tend to hit what they are aimed at.

On the other hand, EVERY door in my house has a weapon behind it. Depending on the preferences and style of the person who mostly uses that room. The front door has a baseball bat. Other doors have various war clubs or swords or really nasty knifes “decoratively” placed within reach of the door. Unless I mount a holster with a loaded gun on the backside of my front door I am not convinced that a gun will make my house “safer”. Id be more afraid of that big iron frying pan hanging “decoratively” in the kitchen.

Good argument, I fully support you not buying a gun. Please.

Not saying this to criticize anyone, but I’ve observed that some geeks have a romantic affection for melee weapons as a counterpoint in gun discussions.

Every door in my house is a DIMENSION DOOR