2907

There were 34 fatal dog attacks in the US in 2012. How many firearm related deaths were there again?

Edit: Apologies, I realize now you were rebutting some bozo’s argument that gun control is about preventing accidental injury.

2908

Bought a gun store last Friday. Will post in this thread my sales every 2 weeks as a motivator. That cool with everyone?

Any ideas on how to run a gun store (better), what to sell, who to sell to, appreciated. The current owners are running the place while I think of ideas and review comtracts, vendor relationships, distributor relationships, FFL paperwork, etc.

I’ve been so excited these last few weeks I haven’t been able to sleep. It’s finally here! I have so many plans, like setting up a booth a Knob Creek, etc.

Yay!

2909

Gun politics aside, congratulations!

Is this your first investment of this nature, or do you own other businesses? Takes some courage to step up and run your own business!

2910

Oh right, you don’t think that that’s a factor. But only “bozos” don’t like reducing injuries, right.

For you. That’s you. Personally, I think preventing injuries is fine and dandy. In fact, public health and safety is AFAIK one of the few valid reasons for government intervention, when it’s on a mass scale.

Pets? Pets have documented health benefits. (Oh, and generally male dogs except those owned by breeders SHOULD be neutered, but hey)

2911

Thanks! Yeah, I know. This is my first retail business of any kind, let alone fun store. My parent corporation does however, own several different companies. All of them are B2B companies.

Eventually I want to work all the jobs at the store…from the front desk helping customers to invemtory stocking and shipping to accounting to contract negotiation with vendors like Glock, H&K, etc.

My eventual goal is to shut down cheaperthandiirt.com by eroding their customer base so much they are either forced to close (worst case) or sell to me (best case). I also want to rebrand the store for a greater online presence since their website sucks now. I would love, love, love, love to call it Ammunation, but we’ll see what Rockstar says. I think that brand name could make them a shit ton of money.

The kicker is, we actually want to concentrate on ammo. I’d like us to have as much market share as we can in that market segment by FY2015.

As you can see, I’m like a kid Ina candy store here. That’s why I’m up writing out my business plan at 4:30 in the morning.

2912

So you’re cool with the government controlling every aspect of your life? Odds are you’re eating foods that are far more likely to take you out than a gun. Or alcohol. That kills tons of people. For that matter any car going over the speed limit is something no one needs. Any sort of drug is probably bad. Caffeine and nicotine are definitely on the list. Motorcycles - death traps. Knives and stoves are pretty dangerous, best leave those to professionals, you’ll be fine with microwaved things you can eat with a spork. And water, any other drink is too risky.

Realistically, every car should have a breathalyzer attached to it. Would save tons of lives and money. No one is in favor of drunk driving. Seems like a better place to go if you want to help people. Toss in limiters that prevent any car from going over 80 and you’ll be even better.

Seriously, if you want to prevent deaths and injuries there are tons of things that should be higher on the list than guns. And none of those are Constitutionally protected Rights either, so they should be fair game. Just let me know when the Ministry of Plenty gets rolling so I can escape.

2913

I would say if you got rid of all guns (or at least severely restricted them) in the US you would prevent many thousands of deaths and injuries and dramatically reduce the suicide rate. That would be a totally good thing. It’s more the idea that somehow the main goal is to prevent accidental injury and death which is clearly a tiny tiny part of the problem. The far far far bigger problem is people deliberately firing guns at each other and themselves.

I am very pro gun control.

2914

ShivaX - Your Chimera is in fine form.

In reality, I’m fine with the government not allowing people to possess lethal weapons which don’t have substantial non-killing-people uses - which means banning everything bolt-action rifles and shotguns, and licensing those on a “usage” basis (if it’s not relevant to your situation…)

I don’t care about your constitution, not being American (and I don’t like codified constitutions, in fact) - In fact, I’m against government involvement many moral issues most Americans feels are a government issues, such as marriage. Oh, and I’d end the war on drugs and use Portugal’s harm minimisation model, end the war on terror and base responses on proven-effective methods not security theatre…

2915

I get it Starlight, you want the U.S. to be like the UK. But if you are going to convince the rest of us you really need to have a comprehensive argument. US citizens happen to like the constitution and that constitution happens to have protections for gun ownerships. By all means don’t visit our gun infested country if you object to it. If you are going to engage a bunch of US citizens on the issue, and try to convince us, then its incumbent on you to bring forth a cogent and concise argument to the table. I for one haven’t seen it, unless your personal distaste for firearms is your argument. I’ve come to this argument as it is in progress so maybe I’ve missed it.

In other news, NPR did a surprising story on Russia dearth of guns yet sky high murder rate.

“There are fewer than 13 million firearms in circulation in Russia, compared with an estimated 300 million in the United States. That works out to about 9 guns per 100 people in Russia and closed to 100 guns per 100 people in America. The most recent homicide statistics for Russia show that there were 21,603 killings in 2009. According to the FBI, the United States had 13,636 homicides in 2009 with a population that is more than twice as large. More than 80 percent of those killings were gun-related.”

2916

No, no. You can’t compare two dissimilar countries if it shows that there are countries with strict gun laws and a high level of violence*. You can only do that to compare two dissimilar countries like the US and the UK or Australia to make the claim that the US is more violent because of supposedly lax gun laws.

  • Although Russia, along with such wonderful places China and Afghanistan, either don’t track or don’t release separate violence-with-guns statistics.
2917

I know those fiends at NPR (and really who would have thought NPR would do this) are being downright unscientific.

2918

You didn’t miss it. Previously (in this thread iirc) he’s said I like killing children because I support the 2nd Amendment.

2919

Nope, you’re making things up again. Do try and read things in context.

Moreover, demanding that I magically give any credence to a blatant mis-reading of a very plain piece of English…which just shows how codified constitutions are an issue.

2920

Honestly, it isn’t worth the effort to find them all and post them.

Edit: Honestly your whole thing this entire thread has been basically this:
“You aren’t the UK and thus are inferior. You’re also all stupid and I am a genius and a better form of life than you. I hate America and things it does in the world, which means everything I say is right and everything you say is wrong - because you’re an American and your country is wrong. Anyone who supports the 1st and 2nd amendments is an idiot, I know because you’re Americans. Also you want to murder children and arm criminals.”

There just post that every time you look at the thread. I doubt anyone would even notice the difference and you’d save a lot of time.

2921

Russia has quite poor gun control as they enforce their laws only when convenient or when not enough money is changing hands or changing hands in the wrong direction. Imagine if US were in a similar re: law enforcement. It would be a scary place.

2922

Very true which means gun control isn’t just reliant on the laws in the books but also the willingness to enforce it and the culture surrounding it.

2923

Thanks for admitting I was correct.

I said, of course, you’re determined to arm criminals, and that you’re refusing to take action to have less of them shot - not that you like doing so.

Your country-superiority nonsense is yours, America’s gun deaths and injuries are a massive anomaly, internationally. Just one of the Chimeras which you read into my posts, because I don’t have a gun fetish.

2924

Where did ShivaX say he wanted to arm criminals? I haven’t seen that. Or are you saying his support for arming criminals is implicit in his support of the second amendment?

2925

As is killing children.

Obviously.

2926

ElGuapo, so you have or will soon have a website? I’d gladly make you my sole go-to for purchases. Please keep us up to date on this. And congratulations.