All-purpose gun legislation thread

[Janster]

Even fellow madmen? Also shouldn’t you be working on Galciv 3 Mr Wardell?

[jpinard]

​Man Shoots, Kills Wandering Man With Advanced Alzheimer's

It will be a terrible miscarriage of justice if this man is not prosecuted.
#1 - The police were almost there.
#2 - He had no reason to go outside.
#3 - He knew exactly where the man was.
#4 - The elderly gentleman was unarmed and never showed a threat to the gunner.
#5 - There are people who are mute so you should never be able to cold kill someone just because they can’t respond.
#6 - People who are involved in accidents late at night can wander door to door looking for help. I know, because this happened to me in Saginaw. The area of Saginaw I was, is way worse place than where this dude lived. I was just 21, my head and face were covered in blood, glass sticking out my head and it was hard to talk from being dazed. I had to go to 20 different houses before someone actually responded (several homeowners looked through the peephole and then just pretended I wasn’t there). But at least no one freaking shot me.

Our country is sick and if you don’t get charged for murdering a lost Alzheimer’s patient then I feel there’s little hope if this is the future gun-owning populace ala Goerge Zimmerman (call police then hunt down and kill whoever you don’t like anyways).

[Brad_Wardell]

Even fellow madmen? Also shouldn’t you be working on Galciv 3 Mr Wardell?

Heh. It’s checking out onto my home PC! Honest!

[RichVR]

Walther. It’s a great pistol, just requires someone with half a brain to disassemble.

I think we had a miscommunication here. Is your gun an Interarms version of the Walther. Or the Smith and Wesson version? All of them are called Walthers but some are made better than others. I assume that you have a Walther knock off if it has a bad plastic piece. That was my question.

[ShivaX]

http://gawker.com/man-shoots-kills-wandering-man-with-advanced-alzheime-1473747485

It will be a terrible miscarriage of justice if this man is not prosecuted.
#1 - The police were almost there.
#2 - He had no reason to go outside.
#3 - He knew exactly where the man was.
#4 - The elderly gentleman was unarmed and never showed a threat to the gunner.
#5 - There are people who are mute so you should never be able to cold kill someone just because they can’t respond.
#6 - People who are involved in accidents late at night can wander door to door looking for help. I know, because this happened to me in Saginaw. The area of Saginaw I was, is way worse place than where this dude lived. I was just 21, my head and face were covered in blood, glass sticking out my head and it was hard to talk from being dazed. I had to go to 20 different houses before someone actually responded (several homeowners looked through the peephole and then just pretended I wasn’t there). But at least no one freaking shot me.

Our country is sick and if you don’t get charged for murdering a lost Alzheimer’s patient then I feel there’s little hope if this is the future gun-owning populace ala Goerge Zimmerman (call police then hunt down and kill whoever you don’t like anyways).

I agree on all counts (I think), but seriously I just got a video ad where I had to click to continue reading? That actually happened.

And last I knew failure to stop moving wasn’t a greenlight for lethal force most places. I mean the police can’t fucking shoot you if you just fail to stop moving unless they have a reason to believe you’re armed.
Then again, who knows what Georgia’s laws are? It’s the South so for all I know it might be legal to murder anyone who is on your property once the sun goes down or some shit.

One would think at the very least we’d be talking about some sort of manslaughter or something.

[Brad_Wardell]

I think we had a miscommunication here. Is your gun an Interarms version of the Walther. Or the Smith and Wesson version? All of them are called Walthers but some are made better than others. I assume that you have a Walther knock off if it has a bad plastic piece. That was my question.

Ah. The plastics piece wasn’t bad. It broke due to my own incompetence. It’s still back with the manufacturer being repaired. I’m not sure who the actual manufacturer is.

[Janster]

Why own such old guns, they are highly ineffective you know.

[Houngan]

http://gawker.com/man-shoots-kills-wandering-man-with-advanced-alzheime-1473747485

It will be a terrible miscarriage of justice if this man is not prosecuted.
#1 - The police were almost there.
#2 - He had no reason to go outside.
#3 - He knew exactly where the man was.
#4 - The elderly gentleman was unarmed and never showed a threat to the gunner.
#5 - There are people who are mute so you should never be able to cold kill someone just because they can’t respond.
#6 - People who are involved in accidents late at night can wander door to door looking for help. I know, because this happened to me in Saginaw. The area of Saginaw I was, is way worse place than where this dude lived. I was just 21, my head and face were covered in blood, glass sticking out my head and it was hard to talk from being dazed. I had to go to 20 different houses before someone actually responded (several homeowners looked through the peephole and then just pretended I wasn’t there). But at least no one freaking shot me.

Our country is sick and if you don’t get charged for murdering a lost Alzheimer’s patient then I feel there’s little hope if this is the future gun-owning populace ala Goerge Zimmerman (call police then hunt down and kill whoever you don’t like anyways).

JP, please stop begging the question with Zimmerman. You were wrong about that case from the start, it turned out exactly like I had suspected, and he is innocent. Get over it.

As for Janster, what are you on about? Are you doing the “private nuclear weapons” reductio thing except with Sci-Fi? Lethality of weapons has pretty much peaked, yet we keep most of them out of common circulation. The main reason nobody tries to kill a village is because people don’t want to kill villages, by and large.

[jpinard]

JP, please stop begging the question with Zimmerman. You were wrong about that case from the start, it turned out exactly like I had suspected, and he is innocent. Get over it.

As for Janster, what are you on about? Are you doing the “private nuclear weapons” reductio thing except with Sci-Fi? Lethality of weapons has pretty much peaked, yet we keep most of them out of common circulation. The main reason nobody tries to kill a village is because people don’t want to kill villages, by and large.

Since that incident he has twice threatened people (unarmed women) with guns and then called the cops to say “there’s a problem I’m innocent because I’m calling you”. Zimmerman was found innocent by a jury of his peers for the killing he precipitated, but as time will show with his repeat behavior he was guilty of creating the incident and most likely brandished the gun “forcing” a confrontation. He’s a hot-headed, loose cannon, cop-wanna-be who’s a danger to society. He also successfully destroyed evidence that would have implicated him abusing/threatening his wife.

[Houngan]

Since that incident he has twice threatened people (unarmed women) with guns and then called the cops to say “there’s a problem I’m innocent because I’m calling you”. Zimmerman was found innocent by a jury of his peers for the killing he precipitated, but as time will show with his repeat behavior he was guilty of creating the incident and most likely brandished the gun “forcing” a confrontation. He’s a hot-headed, loose cannon, cop-wanna-be who’s a danger to society. He also successfully destroyed evidence that would have implicated him abusing/threatening his wife.

Right, that’s the problem exactly, you keep saying things about him that are either blatantly untrue or your opinion/prediction, as if that carries weight. I’m not a fan of the guy, but it was a slander job from the start, and you’re perpetuating the slander. Trayvon Martin was a thug, a street fighter, and a drug user. Zimmerman was a wannabe cop pussy with a gun, granted, and is obviously losing his shit after this mess.

Just offhand, your first sentence is untrue (no gun at the first call) your second sentence begs the question again (claiming he precipitated the attack) then makes a WAG as to future behavior somehow supporting your false assertions. I agree with your third sentence, though I would say he’s a “hot-headed, mentally destabilized cop wannabe who’s a danger to himself and those around him.” I would argue that anyone would be on a downward path after what he’s been through, not that it excuses him. Finally, again you make stuff up about him “destroying evidence.” Evidence of what? That he didn’t have a gun when his felon wife called the police on him?

Like I say, I’m no fan of the guy, but you’re on a witch hunt. I won’t reply to comments that are speculative provided they are stated as such, but you’ve consistently presented false information as fact regarding Zimmerman for a year now. It’s time to stop.

[ShivaX]

Zimmerman is a piece of shit, but not a murderer. Just a small man with ambitions beyond his ken and possibly a temper.

[Janster]

He’s what you get when you use militia to enforce law. He is nothing new. As for future super weapons, we ain’t seen nothing yet, have some imagination atleast.

[ShivaX]

He’s what you get when you use militia to enforce law. He is nothing new. As for future super weapons, we ain’t seen nothing yet, have some imagination atleast.

Er… he wasn’t enforcing anything. He was a dude wandering around following people. I’m not sure how you get militia out of that.

And weaponry hasn’t changed much in 150 years. The biggest changes in that time were metal cartridges and semi-automatics. If you think a Winchester 1873 is some sort of toy compared to an AR-15 I’ve got news for you - it isn’t. Both will kill you just as easily. Pistol and other smaller guns are nearly the same, the lethality between a Colt Army and a Glock isn’t much of a difference except that the Glock has more rounds and possibly hollowpoint shells. 150 years from now guns will be about as lethal as they are now. Citizens wont have projected energy weapons or rail guns just like they don’t have machine guns or Hellfire missles right now.

[Janster]

He displayed perfect militia like behavior, in larger numbers you’d get even worse. It’s a reason the military doesn’t like militia ever, just like Wehrmacht din didn’t like volkssturm, they are dangerous and unpredictable, just like your guy.

As for weapons, I expect great strides in munitions, which you might be even able to fire from that ancient rifle too, I’ve seen some videos already on it.

[AlanQ]

Trayvon Martin was a thug, a street fighter, and a drug user.

AFAIK Martin was never charged, tried, or convicted of any of those things. Presumption of innocence applies to Martin as well.

[Soapyfrog]

Trayvon Martin was a thug, a street fighter, and a drug user.

And what are you doing now?

I think ultimately that Zimmerman instigated a confrontation that didn’t go how he expected. He probably just wanted to keep Trayvon Martin occupied util the cops showed up. The best thing you could say about him is that he’s an irresponsible jackass. Possibly Trayvon Martin could have defused the situation himself, but it’s a lot to put on a spooked 17 year old male.

Frankly I don’t know what I would have done if some creeper were following me about and then confronted me with a firearm. Maybe after my death people could have dug up evidence that I was “a thug, a street fighter, and a drug user” also.

[Houngan]

And what are you doing now?

I think ultimately that Zimmerman instigated a confrontation that didn’t go how he expected. He probably just wanted to keep Trayvon Martin occupied util the cops showed up. The best thing you could say about him is that he’s an irresponsible jackass. Possibly Trayvon Martin could have defused the situation himself, but it’s a lot to put on a spooked 17 year old male.

Frankly I don’t know what I would have done if some creeper were following me about and then confronted me with a firearm. Maybe after my death people could have dug up evidence that I was “a thug, a street fighter, and a drug user” also.

Have you all not read the released text message from his phone? I wasn’t expressing an opinion there. He was active in organized street fighting events, had pictures of himself smoking pot, and relished in beating people up.

[AlanQ]

Have you all not read the released text message from his phone? I wasn’t expressing an opinion there. He was active in organized street fighting events, had pictures of himself smoking pot, and relished in beating people up.

Are you seriously not familiar with the basic concept of due process? Text messages do not a conviction make. I would have thought that the Zimmerman thing would have reiterated the need to suspend judgment until after a trial, but I guess not.

[Soapyfrog]

Have you all not read the released text message from his phone? I wasn’t expressing an opinion there. He was active in organized street fighting events, had pictures of himself smoking pot, and relished in beating people up.

Never mind street fighting, my friends and I used to throw rocks at each other and beat each other with cudgels… I have other friends who did way crazier shit than that and who are miraculously still alive and responsible adults with businesses and careers. Good thing they didn’t have texting and facebook back then I guess.

[jpinard]

Another shooting in “self-defense”. Country singer Wayne Mills shot in the head by bar owner: http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/24/showbiz/wayne-mills-death/

Since the news reports don’t mention Wayne had a gun or knife on him, are we supposed to assume he wasn’t armed? Curious why there’s so little information. He could have just shot him in the leg otherwise and now, once again, there’s no one to testify on the victim’s behalf.