ShivaX
4327
It’s illegal to carry a gun in every state on school grounds as far as I know barring a few exceptions for LEOs and the like. It’s a federal law iirc.
By “school” you mean K-12, correct? Because it’s going to be legal in TX to carry a gun on college campuses.
Effective Dates: August 1, 2016 for all state 4-year colleges and universities; August 1, 2017 for all state 2-year and junior colleges.
The new Texas law will permit individuals who have obtained a concealed handgun license (CHL) to carry their loaded, concealed weapon in college and university buildings. Each college and university may determine certain sensitive areas and buildings* where concealed weapons will continue to be prohibited. Each college and university must publically display campus policies on the official school website, as well as widely publicizing it among correspondence with the institution’s faculty, staff, and students. Previous laws permitting the concealed carry with a license on open campus grounds and in locked vehicles in parking lots will remain unchanged.
ShivaX
4329
Yeah K-12, though most states have laws against it on college campuses as well. I’m not sure on the particulars, I just know not to ever carry on school property.
A great reasons to take suppressors off the nfa list and make them more accessible.
ShivaX
4331
The is some truth to this. She’d still hear it, but she might be able to sleep at least.
Because dudes popping off rounds for lulz in the middle of the night are going to use silencers out of consideration for the neighbors?
ShivaX
4333
Maybe, only because they’re the kind of guys likely to think they’re so cool and have to have them. :)
A DC gun law was struck down as unconstitutional yesterday.
DC has long had incredibly strict gun regulations… basically outright banning firearms. In the last five or ten years, that ban has been basically eradicated, most notably by District of Columbia vs. Heller in 2008. In 2014 the District approved a concealed carry law, but the lawmakers sought to make it as restrictive as they possibly could, so when you applied for your concealed carry license in DC, you had to include a justification for why you believed you needed to carry a gun with you at all times.
The judge in the case ruled that this clause violated the Second Amendment: either you should be allowed to carry or you shouldn’t; a person’s private reasons for wanting to be armed shouldn’t matter.
olaf
4335
Silencers/Suppressors should definitely be legal without having to go through the bullshit NFA process. But really NFA 1934 should just be repealed, it is very clearly a violation of the second amendment.
Canuck
4336
WTF? For what other reason would you need a suppressor other than to do some heinous shit? You don’t need a suppressor to shoot a deer.
Silencers protect your hearing, which is no small thing, and you don’t have to worry about getting noise complaints anymore.
Canuck
4338
That’s what ear plugs are for. And I’m not willing to trade my safety for the fraction of 1% of the population who live close to an outdoor gun range.
Did you know that they’re legal in basically every European country?
The real world is not the movies, as far as gun crimes go. The overwhelming majority of murders in the US are committed with cheap handguns, and most of them involve people with priors on both ends of the barrel. The main virtue of a murder weapon is size, not silence.
The assassin screwing a silencer onto the end of his $2000 pistol is even more a silly fantasy than that of the heroic gun owner saving the day. The latter does at least occasionally happen.
A silencer is also a dead simple device, and any criminal who really wants one is just going to drill through an oil filter anyway. The only reason they’re expensive in the US is because they’re a highly regulated item with a $200 tax, and nobody wants to buy a $50 thing at that effective markup.
I’d be happy to trade our gun laws with those of basically any European country.
Mind you, I know that gun laws across Europe are altogether regressive, compared to American gun laws. It’s just that silencers are an odd hill to die on. If Europe, of all places, doesn’t mind…
Aleck
4342
Well, what’s the point of regulating suppressors if you’ve already effectively regulated guns? If you’ve regulated guns, the downstream items (magazine size, ammunition availability, suppressors, etc.) aren’t nearly as important.
I don’t think that necessarily follows, at least by from Canuck’s starting point that suppressors are invariably tools of crime and ought to be impossible to obtain. No matter what level of firearms regulation your society settles on, if you’re concerned about the use of legally-acquired guns in crime (as European countries tend to be), and if suppressors are an obvious ill, then it would follow that European countries should be interested in banning suppressors. Inasmuch as they aren’t, and the only debate in European politics (as far as I know; I don’t really follow European politics) is whether guns themselves should be more totally banned or less totally banned, not whether suppressors specifically should be banned, I don’t think there’s room for the argument that they’re straight-up bad. If European societies, which have a more positive attitude toward stripping the right to arms in the first place, don’t mind suppressors in themselves, I don’t think we should, either.
ShivaX
4344
“Silenced” weapons are still insanely loud. It’s not the movies where they make some magical fhip sound and no one hears anything. It’s just less deafening.
RichVR
4345
Gun “Silencers” Don’t Make Them Anywhere Near Silent
Modern day silencers typically can reduce the noise about 14.3-43 decibels, depending on a variety of factors, such as whether it’s a subsonic bullet or not; length of the barrel/silencer; etc. The average suppression level, according to independent tests done on a variety of commercially available suppressors, is around 30 dB, which is around the same reduction level of typical ear protection gear often used when firing guns.
That’s actually pretty significant considering the decibel system is a logarithmic scale; so, for example, 200 dB is 1000 times louder than 100 dB, not double, and a reduction of 40 dB is more like 1/100th of the original sound. However, for most commercially available fire arms and cartridges, this ends up only reducing the noise level to somewhere in the range of 130-150-ish dB for a supersonic cartridge and 117-130-ish dB for a subsonic cartridge. For reference on just how loud that is, an ambulance or police siren is typically between 100-140 dB. So this isn’t exactly the “whoosh” sound Hollywood depicts. Given that hearing loss can occur as low as 85 dB, it’s typically recommended that even with a silencer on a fire arm, that the shooter still wears some sort of hearing protection.
olaf
4346
Hilarious. Typical gun grabber liberal opinion from someone with literally no experience with suppressed guns and likely no experience with guns at all. Your comment reveals you to be someone whose exposure to guns has been solely from TV shows and movies.
edit: I am struggling to find an analogy you might understand…the best I can come up with would be to ban power steering and mufflers on cars. Neither make the cars more dangerous, both make the cars more pleasant for both drivers and everyone else.
