All-purpose gun legislation thread


#5185

Nice little writeup at NPR about why mass shootings aren’t treated like a public health threat.

Not new news - I’ve posted similar articles myself in the past - but it’s always good to keep it in mind. It’s not just that we’re not willing to control guns in the US - we’re not even willing to do scientific research that might possible someday maybe lead to a gun control recommendation.


#5186

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEADLY_CALIFORNIA_SHOOTINGS_GHOST_GUNS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

And 3D printing isn’t even rolling yet. Wee!

Fortunately, the serial number registration requirement in 2019 will keep this all under control, I’m sure.


#5187

"People who think a gun registry would be used to take their guns are conspiracy theorists."
Meanwhile:


#5188

I can see how some people might get a little dismayed, but only if they think there’s no reason to ever be disqualified from gun ownership. Which I guess is a sizeable chunk of people, now that I think about it.


#5189

Not sure where else to put this. This story about several teenage friends who survived the Las Vegas shooting is heartbreaking. Even the girls who weren’t injured by the shooter will carry trauma from that night for the rest of their lives. If this isn’t a good a reason as any to promote common sense gun legislation, than I don’t know what is. The idiotic “they just want to take our guns” people need to love someone who is affected the way these kids were affected by gun violence.

To be clear, I am not anti-gun ownership, just the opposite. I grew up around responsible gun owners, know how to handle firearms safely and responsibly, and support everyone’s right to do the same. I also support legislation and regulation that would include closing the gun show loophole, requiring waiting periods and enforcing background checks both criminal and mental health, and the banning of accessories like bump stocks that effectively create automatic weapons out of semi-automatic ones. None of that impacts responsible gun owners rights to bear arms, and while it won’t bring an end to mass shooter events, it would likely reduce them.


#5190

#5191

states’ rights


#5192

Nothing too surprising here, but it illustrates the need for gun safety classes:

The study, published Thursday in the journal Science, estimates that the 3 million guns sold in the several months after Sandy Hook caused about 60 more accidental gun deaths than would have occurred otherwise. Children were killed in a third of them — some 20 youngsters, the same number as died at Sandy Hook.


#5193

The 21-year-old man who shot and killed two students at Aztec High School in New Mexico on Thursday had previously been investigated by the FBI for online comments about planning a mass shooting.

San Juan County Sheriff Ken Christesen on Friday identified the gunman as William Atchison. Christesen said at a news conference that the shooting was a “planned event” and that Atchison purchased a 9mm Glock last month, which he used in the shooting.


#5194

Well, this is certainly a thing.


#5195

If, as appears to be the case, we are going to just treat gun deaths the same as auto accidents, perhaps we should afford them the same news coverage as auto accidents. Why get everyone upset when the chance of meaningful reform is precisely zero?


#5196

That might be a question to ask a news anchor while being interviewed, if one can score an interview. Thouhh they still do plenty of car crash fatality reporting on local news.


#5197

A math lesson overheard at Kentucky schools earlier today: Guns on campus + more guns on campus = safer campus.


#5198

…and so the irony of more guns everywhere equals more mass killings, more school shootings, goes unnoticed.


#5199

spurned love…of course it was a guy, of course he was obsessed with guns, of course the AR-15 was used again.


#5200

This story has been sent to me by two different family members so far this morning. I’m the bad apple that won’t fall in line and see reason, so every time something like this pops up my text message alerts start sounding.

Man carrying concealed pistol stops attack on Utah police officer

“I carry a gun to protect me and those around me, but primarily I carry a gun to protect my family first and foremost," Meyer, who has a concealed-carry permit, told FOX13. “Outside of that, if I were to use my gun to protect anyone it would be law enforcement or military personnel.”

“Had he not been in the right place at the right time, who knows what would have happened,” Waters said. “But he definitely stopped the attack from continuing and becoming much worse. He might have even saved either one of their lives. It could have gone really bad, even for the suspect.”

While I’m glad this guy stopped the incident from possibly turning into something more appropriate for the police shooting thread, rare examples where the stars align like this don’t off-set all the other shootings actually taking place in the same time frame. But hey, I’m being told all those other shootings could just as easily be prevented with more guns.


#5201

Another week, another mass high school shooting. This time in Florida. Details still scarce. Just multiple victims, and sheriff says shooter at large.


#5202

At least 20 hurt. In Parkland, Broward County. Shooter still at large.


#5203

Mass murder of children is the price we must pay to be safe from criminals.


#5204

I have new thesis about this after speaking to some 60+yr old baby boomers over the last couple weeks, and if i were to summarize the thesis, it would be one word: suburbanization.

In brief, the life-cycle of baby boomers has been moving from suburb to increasingly disconnected suburb in an almost ossified bubble of success and values from their parents’ generation and who see their own success and lifestyles being threatened by all these irresponsible people doing irresponsible things around them, and not knowing what else to do about it but moving into another gated community with even higher walls. Because on a fundamental level they don’t see themselves as part of the same society anymore, that all those dirty, poor, irresponsible people doing drugs and ruining their lives are, on some existential level, kind of a different country now.

They were talking about something they heard on Facebook - and let me be honest i can’t verify a single thing about this - that supposedly Orange County had opened up their beaches for homeless people, and that someone had ridden a bicycle and recorded a video that was “20 minutes long”. How horrible! they exclaimed. Yea, they were just dumping trash everywhere, ruining the beaches, what a disaster. “Well, why don’t they put them in homeless shelters?” I asked. “They’re all full!” they responded. “Well, maybe we should raise taxes and build more homeless shelters then, right?” Silence.

Because it’s not us, it’s them. And we’re tired of paying for them.

It’s the same thing with gun control. They don’t understand what sort of world does the terrible things that happen, they shake their head… but, what can you do? Change? Why do i have to change when i’m not doing anything wrong? It’s like their whole generation is the mayor from Jaws. But the reason they’re unlike the mayor is because they no longer see themselves as being part of the same society.

We all know how much social media balkanizes communities. Isn’t this exactly what has been going on with suburbanization over the last 40 years geographically? Suburbanization is a decades long sticking your head in the sand, and nothing they want to do more than stick their head in the sand about guns.