All-purpose gun legislation thread


#6047

There are fancy fast-access gun safes out there for that.

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#6048

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#6049

Well a year ago a bunch of kids died in Florida, but at least it was for a good cause. We’d never have all these tighter gun laws and background checks, etc, without their sacrifice. All that thinking and praying has paid off! RIP kids.


#6050

We have so little repetitive forum snark that yours tends to stand out.


#6051

I’d never argue that the glass is half-full, but there IS some water in the glass.

Since Parkland, eight states passed gun-control laws that make it harder for people with “red flag” issues to get guns. Eleven states (and there is some overlap) passed bills that make it illegal for people convicted of domestic abuse crimes to get guns.

Eventually (and grudgingly), the Feds have banned “bump stocks”… though this one is probably more related to the Las Vegas shooting.

Dicks Sporting Goods won’t sell any firearms that look like military rifles and ceased selling to anyone under 21 years of age, even if local laws would allow it. Walmart followed suit.

90% of NRA-supported bills were rejected, both at the Federal and State levels.

And less easy to measure, the NRA has lot a lot of clout and influence. Being an NRA-supporter is starting to be a net negative, even in Red districts.

Is this enough change, or really significant? Maybe not, depending on where you fall on the gun-control spectrum. But it is arguably more movement than we got in the year after Sandy Hook.


#6052

Not nearly enough. In fact we’ve gone backwards in many parts of our country.
23 states have expanded the rights of gun owners, expanding the stand your right rules and allowing gun owners to take guns into churches or parking lots of business that had previously banned guns.

So… yeah, not enough. Not enough at all.

The 2nd amendment protection should be restricted to people that are part of a militia. If you aren’t part of a militia, then your ownership of a gun should be regulated in the same why we regulate cars and trucks, or dangerous narcotics.


#6053

Appreciate the summary, thanks. It’s a start but logic and reason say that we have a hell of a long way to go. I’m just sick of the numbers when you compare the US to every other country in the world when it comes to gun violence.


#6054

#6055

May I ask that when people post local news stories like this that you indicate where in the world it is? I read your post and the entire article and if it weren’t literally for the logo of the news station which says “Chicago’s Very Own” I would have no idea where this happened.


#6056

Aurora Illinois. One of the largest suburbs of Chicago, about 150k people, and nearly an hour from downtown (probably about 40 miles)

Also infamous for having some of the worse neighborhoods in the suburbs, though much of that perception is driven because it has one of the largest minority and blue collar populations.

Which means that the conversation is going to revolve around how this is because of the ‘type’ of people living in the neighborhood. You have to realize Aurora is largely, though quite inaccurately, viewed by suburban dwellers as equivalent to he worst of the inner city neighborhoods like Roselawn and Austin.


#6057

The ILL do look odd to those that don’t see the state often.


#6058

It didn’t even register to me that that was a state abbreviation. Maybe I need a different font…


#6059

Yeah, I used to live in Aurora, IL. It’s a very large - and mixed - area. But I was never aware of any area as bad as some of those nearer the city (the Austin neighborhood, for one). Only issue I had with Aurora was it was all the way out near Iowa.


#6060

I only looked twice an then Googled it because you mentioned it. I overlooked it too because I assumed it would be IL not… well that which is what they have in the article. Not sure why it’s like that.


#6061

Oh there aren’t! However that is the perception that the (usually white, upper middle class) populations have of Aurora. I know, because that’s what my family and many people I grew up around said about it!

Seriously, go ask a random on the Naperville Riverwalk about what they think of downtown Aurora. It’ll sound like a warzone.

It’s all overblown. I’d ride my bike into downtown Aurora when I lived in Wheaton all the time. Then shoot up the river trail to Batavia and back. It was fine. Nothing like seeing drug deals on the Prarie Path by the Hawthorne Racetrack in Maywood.


#6062

It’s almost as if…gun violence were an…“emergency” in the US. Instead of something imaginary at the south border. I hope history’s takedown of this administration is brutal.


#6063

I know.


#6064

An update on yesterday’s workplace shooting:

Martin was not supposed to own a gun because of a 1995 aggravated assault conviction in Mississippi, she said.

But he obtained one in Illinois in 2014. In January of that year, he applied for a firearms owner identification card, she said.

In March 2014, he applied to buy a gun from a dealer in Aurora. After a waiting period and passing a background check that did not involve fingerprinting, he bought the gun, she said.

Later that month, he applied for a concealed carry permit, and a fingerprint check led authorities to discover the Mississippi conviction, Ziman said.

The permit was rejected, and Illinois State Police sent him a letter demanding he voluntarily surrender the weapon, but he did not, the chief said. Investigators are trying to determine why he didn’t surrender the weapon and whether law enforcement followed up with him to confiscate the gun.

“He was not supposed to be in possession of a firearm,” Ziman said

As for the victims:

Police in Aurora, Illinois, have released the names of the five Henry Pratt Co. employees who were killed in Friday’s shooting:

• Clayton Parks of Elgin, Illinois. He was a human resources manager.

• Trevor Wehner of DeKalb, Illinois. He was a human resources intern and a student at Northern Illinois University

• Russell Beyer of Yorkville, Illinois. He was a mold operator.

• Vicente Juarez of Oswego, Illinois. He was a stock room attendant and fork lift operator.

• Josh Pinkard of Oswego, Illinois. He was a plant manager.

The gunman, 45-year-old Gary Martin, was killed at the facility in an exchange of gunfire with law enforcement officers, some 90 minutes after the shooting started

And the injured:

five officers and an employee shot and injured, police said.


#6065

In these cases, the law is almost never enforced, because

  • Local sheriffs, who would be the ones to enforce the ruling, are mostly gun-rights leaning and would rather err on the side of more people having guns, instead of disarming someone (i.e. choosing to nullify the ruling for ideological reasons)
  • To enforce it, they would need to send a team of deputies to the home of someone who is known to be armed and angry about not getting a gun, and therefore willing to fight to keep his old ones. Too dangerous if they are not believed to be an urgent threat, and no lucrative upside like taking down a drug dealer.

It seems that we would be better off having a team of FBI/SBI specialists who are called in as a disarming enforcement team, instead of relying on your friendly neighborhood sheriff with a shotty in the trunk.


This info was new to me:

"Because it is a federal law that prohibits anyone who has been forced into inpatient psychiatric care from owning guns, local police can’t seize the weapon unless they pass their own companion law. Texas hasn’t. The deputy “had no State authority to retrieve the firearm from Kollaja, even though Kollaja was previously committed into a mental facility by court order,” court documents state.

The police retreated, later contacting U.S. attorneys in Houston. After a 10-day wait, a federal judge finally issued a search warrant."


#6066

Sadly these seem precisely accurate.