Actually, guns save lives. It’s all about perspective. Think about it. Cops carry guns, and a majority don’t go around killing people because they are armed with a firearm. It’s effective at killing, but also effective as a force multiplier. I can easily kill a physically weak unarmed person with my bare hands. Give that person a firearm, and that multiplies their force. They don’t have to rely on their physical strength to protect them or their family.
Enidigm
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You’re thinking in terms of rights at the cost of society, while everyone else is thinking the cost to society for those rights.
People aren’t cops. You can make an argument that a cop needs a gun, but it’s hard to make an argument that most people need a gun. Almost nobody can deliberately kill another person with their bare hands; that’s why it’s not a crime you hear much about. And you’re demonstrating exactly what I said: if you buy a gun so you can protect your family, you’re buying it with the idea of using it to kill someone, in the very unlikely event that circumstance comes up. It’s not a post-apocalyptic dystopia out there.
So, cops aren’t people? It’s ironic how people think cops should have all this “artillery”, but the majority of violent crimes don’t happen to cops. I work at a court house, and most victims aren’t cops. I would think, that if a cop has something to protect themselves, wouldn’t I want that as well? After all, most violent criminals don’t target cops. Why are the peasants treated as second class citizens.
Are you fucking serious? You don’t understand the distinction between saying ‘people aren’t cops’ and saying ‘cops aren’t people’ in the context of your observation about cops having guns?
Guess what? I don’t think that cops should have all that artillery. Lots of people don’t think they should.
Or perhaps it is because AR-15 or Ak-47, (which I used to own) are affordable, have inexpensive ammunition. They are very reliable and don’t require a lot of maintenance. Especially in the case of AR-15, they are lightweight and have minimal recoil. Semiautomatics, are lot more fun to shoot, and obviously in situation where it matters like home defense a lot more effective than bolt-action rifle. AR-15, like PC are also very expandable, and you can add a ton of accessory to them.
For myself, a novice shooter who just wanted to go out and do some target shoot, buying either an AK-47 or AR-15 were by far the best choice. No other guns even came close, and it had exactly zip about killing people.
Why are cops different than anyone else? Seriously. What grants them special permissions to protect themselves when the majority of violent crimes don’t target them
They’re terrible as target shooting weapons. There is a reason that people who compete in target shooting don’t use melee combat weapons to do it.
It had almost zip to do with killing people and yet home defense somehow worked it’s way into the argument . . . ?
What non-people threats were you worried about defending your home against? Bears?
Because cops are specifically employed, on occasion, to try and arrest heavily armed criminals, while everyone else isn’t. Seriously.
Yes, I noted the same thing lol.
Two people have objected to my comment, and both of them have objected in part by pointing out how those guns are good for killing people.
Enidigm
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I’m not sure if plinkin’s your thing why you can’t be satisfied with a 10/22 semi auto.
So, to arrest “heavily armed criminals”. Yeah, I can accept that. I certainly won’t do any arresting. It does beg the question, how do I protect myself from these “heavily armed criminals” while they are in commission of a crime against me?
I have to say that you’re not doing much to dissuade me from the opinion that the gun is, in your mind, for killing people.
Huh? AR variants are very good at target shooting. Military uses them all the time. They even have a competition shooting division.
I think this confuses cause and effect. The military shoots at targets with AR variants because they want to be good at shooting with AR variants, not because AR variants are good for shooting at targets. The average deer rifle is a far better target shooting weapon than an assault rifle, if what you’re after is just shooting targets.
This is really the crux of it. Gun people like guns because they’re fun, not because they’ll ever need that much stopping power in any practical situation. And we’ve already decided as a country that dead elementary school kids isn’t too high of a price to pay for the privilege to get our rocks off on functionally automatic killing machines.
Oh, it’s effective at killing to save lives. It’s why cops use them.
Who said anything about competitive target shooting. I just wanted something I could go the target range and spend $20 and not $50 on ammo (this was decades ago), or shoot bottle in the desert, with my friends.
Mine was useless as a home defense weapon, stored in the back of a closet downstairs. But most people have multiple reasons for owning a gun, and home defense is high on the list They are very versatile guns hence their popularity.
Ah, the gun knows your purpose, then, and stops being effective at killing when you’re not saving lives?
