Enidigm
7703
The problem isn’t most gun owners - it’s that most gun owners don’t feel responsible for creating the conditions that “others” use to do bad things.
IE, if someone runs a car into a crowd, car owners don’t feel responsible for that behavior.
When shootings happen, it’s not the right that’s at fault, it’s society. And if this rights causes society to implode, so much the worse for society. There’s lots of compartmentalization about cause and effect and responsibility that goes on.
That’s true and we also allow, sport cars, Hummers, cigarettes, booze, recreational drugs, snowmobiles, hang gliders, and rock concerts to play music too loud, all of which are dangerous to peoples health for the sake of fun. None of which are protected by a constitutional amendment.
I submit that it is the gun and the fantasy that goes with firing the gun that is the thing they find fun. They’re thinking about shooting someone. Unless they’re training for the Olympics or some other type of competition, in which case they aren’t using the guns we are talking about.
ShivaX
7706
I mean, this is patently untrue. I haven’t fired an AR in decades at this point, but when I did it was one of the easiest and best guns for target shooting I’d ever fired.
Depends on what kind of plinking you want to do. But the 10/22 is by all accounts amazing for it.
CraigM
7707
I can confirm that a rimfire 22 has a very good downrange accuracy, while simultaneously having very low kick such that firing off 50 rounds will not leave you sore the next day.
Also gun fetishism is a thing in this country, and even so many of the so called ‘responsible’ gun owners are anything but. See the number of stories about kids accidentally shooting themselves or a sibling when a gun is left out.
I damn near beat my brother with his own shotgun a little over a year ago. We were over at a third couples house, and my brother had, unknown to me, left his shotgun on the bed in the downstairs guest bedroom. I discovered this when I went downstairs to go put on a movie for the kids and saw my nephew walking around with said shotgun.
I had no idea it was even there, but my brother had put his son down for a nap in the same bed the shotgun was.
You are pigeon holing “target shooting “. Go to any 3gun or 2 gun competition, you aren’t going to see a bolt action hunting rifle. An 18” at 5.56 can reach out to 800 yards on a 20” target depending on ammo quality and shooter skill. The “target shooting “ with ARs aren’t done on a bench. Most target shooting is done under 300 yards, alot of times within 15-200 yards. Still, it’s target shooting that is more suitable than with a bolt action hunting rifle.
I accept your submission!
I just wish gun people would drop all the pretense about home defense. They own guns because they like thinking about killing someone. Because that’s literally all a gun is good for. Because that’s literally all it was made for.
I have fired more 5.56 NATO ammunition in my day than I’ll ever be able to remember. Also 7.62 and 9mm and .30 and .50 caliber, and a host of more exotic things. I’m not a guy who is unfamiliar with these weapons.
Yes, it’s a practice session for killing people. At least all the ones I’ve seen are: targets shaped like human silhouettes, shooters moving and engaging targets while being timed to up the stress level.
2/3 of people that buy a gun do so for protection. That doesn’t necessarily mean killing someone. Brandishing a weapon, probably even more so with an “assault rifle”,is a way to defend yourself or your home without firing shot.
But this latest digression, again shows the problems that editorial were talking about.
We are once again arguing about assault rifles which account for 1% of all gun violence and ignoring the other 99%.
I’m not only talking about assault rifles. People by semi auto handguns and revolvers with the idea of killing people, too. I’m just responding to the assault rifle argument you put up.
That was the army. None of the ranges I’ve had human targets, and I don’t know maybe that deep blue Hawaii, or California thing.
Yes, of course there are gun ranges with conventional targets. I’m talking about the sort of ‘target shooting’ ranges where a conventional hunting rifle would not work well. Since that was the argument tossed to me.
CraigM
7715
I mean things like the Heller decision removing the limitations of the City of Chicago had on certain types of guns, and gun sales, led immediately to an uptick in gun violence and deaths in the city, after two continuous decades of decreases.
I mean I’m, going to ask the question again, why are the limitations on gun purchasing and ownership lower than that of cars? I know the answer, but do not accept the reasoning behind the answer. And if the response to proposals that would make it harder to execute mass shootings is ‘well they only account for a small % of total gun violence’ my response is ‘I know! But they are a more clearly definable set of problems with a different set of causes and prevention than regular gun violence, and I am more than willing to talk about those as well’.
Like it isn’t some ‘gotcha’ to say AR-15’s account for fewer deaths than handguns. This is patently true, but this deflection misses the point. A married couple getting into a fight, and the husband storming off to buy a handgun and killing the wife has a completely different set of policy solutions, when possible, than someone gunning down 15 people in a movie theater. And the answer isn’t throw up hands and give up, it is to say ‘lets work on those too’.
That still supports my point, really. They’re just dressing up the idea that they’re still thinking of killing someone (or threatening to kill someone) by talking about protection.
You can protect yourself with a bat, a taser, or a baseball at the end of a long sock. I have a sharpened sword in our bedroom in case someone breaks in. Those things are much less lethal and realistically just as effective at scaring someone off. But gun people keep saying only guns will do. Because deep down, they really just love the idea that they might get to kill someone someday.
Or, you know, with locks and an alarm system and a sign that says you have an alarm system.
Houngan
7719
Thread has blown up so excuse my post spam. What you talk about just happened in 2020. Hundreds of black people and left-leaning whites, etc. marched with guns last year. Are they on a list? I can’t say but if we need a test case then right now is that.
Nesrie
7720
They, the GOP and company, have repeatedly tried to make BLM and Antifa terrorist organizations. We don’t actually have a list like this being described but what do you think happened after this happened?
It’s not an unknown what groups the government really targets when things like this pass.
Houngan
7721
People who compete in target shooting competitions overwhelmingly choose the AR platform, and they are incredibly accurate.
Houngan
7722
Raise the question, not beg. Begging the question is a logical fallacy.
