7723

Another good choice! But if we want to back up even further, maybe the best protection of all would be the easing of the constant material struggle of the working class and the robust provision of support for mental illness!

But that’s harder to do than just going to Cabela’s and buying a big metal dick.

7724

This is correct. Most of the insane gun proliferation of the last 15 years was solidly in the hands of people who wanted to have some sort of gun that had a cachet, and anecdotally they didn’t or rarely fire them.

7725

Also most of the Olympic Summer Games. Think about it.

7726

What do you think happened after that happened? I do not know.

7727

Any weapon can be used for self defense, but a firearm is the most effective. I can dig a hole with a spoon, but I would rather use a shovel. There’s a reason why cops no longer carry Billy sticks, bats, or sharp scissors. They want the most effective tool for the job.

7728

I don’t know how anyone can even attempt to talk about gun control today… if they’re not familiar with what happened with gun control in the past.

This was literally posted here… 8 days ago by someone else.

7729

You’re not talking about the cheap versions of the AR platform here, you’re talking about the high-end ones designed and built for target competition.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-expected-level-of-accuracy-with-an-AR15

7730

Well aware, and the NRA is a dumpster fire, full stop. Your post was about whether or not non-white people taking up arms and marching in the streets would result in a list or database or governmental reaction. It happened, did the resultant scenario also happen?

7731

The one that’s most effective at killing someone, yeah. I don’t think we’re in disagreement about why people want to have guns.

7732

+1

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7733

I think we can change the first statement to “given sufficient motive”. Anger being the strongest. At the point that a person is angry enough to kill, the means will be found. Guns just make it easier. But a knife or an axe, that may work as well.

7734

I built one for 3 gun competition, 800 bucks, sub minute of angle with cheap Russian ammo. They work far too well.

7735

I cannot tell if you are being serious.

If the government decides to make a list that is designed with some subjective feels like this:

We already know not just the past government but today would try and get political opponents on that list. We had the former POTUS on stage basically trying to do that very thing. People peacefully protested, he wanted to call them terrorist and send in the military… in the middle of our cities.

Actually people stormed the capitol… they called them patriots. There is almost zero chance something like that list wouldn’t’ be used for political ploys because that literally happened in the recent past.

Things like background checks can be… universal. Taking specific types of guns off the streets, can also be fairly universal.

7736

And I’m 100 percent behind doing those things. To your posts specifically, I think you raised a spectre that has not actually come to pass.

7737

You don’t think the Mulford Act of 1967 was specifically used to disarm armed black men?

7738

Sure, but I don’t see how that is contrary to my point.

7739

You are aware that the government, the US government, not the NRA, but the US government tracked, followed, bugged and intentionally harassed Civil Rights leaders, right? That they knew who they were and essentially had a list, that most of them were arrested, have arrest records, and would have been labeled violent and some probably mentally unstable for having the nerve to speak out, loudly and aggressively, them and the women who lead alongside them, about inequalities, violence and just the very wrong state of things… and you’re not sure how relevant it is today that a list like is being proposed today would be used against those same people?

7740

Again, certainly. Also again, it just happened, are we seeing the same efforts out of the government now, as you fear?

7741

Are they really? I can walk into car dealer today and walk out with a car today, 10 if want. The only ID I need to show is drivers license, and I’m not even sure they check if it is valid.

If want to buy a gun I have to wait 2 week to get a permit which allows me to buy a gun in the next ten days.

The reality is the only thing that gets this country talking about gun, and I’m pretty sure that sparks off this thread from being revived is a mass shooting event. About 1/2 the time the mass shooting involves an assault weapon and 1/2 the time a semi-automatic pistol. Plus more than few times like the Florida nightclub shooting a weapon this is technically a pistol, but people want to call an assault rifle.
Also about the 1/2 the time shooter was a mentally ill/scary person and 1/2 the time the shooter 'seem like such a nice guy"

There are zero surefire ways of stopping any of these killings. But there is very little resistance to preventing 'scary" people from guns and huge resistance from banning certain types of guns.

Now defining scary people is hard, and if Nesrie say’s that there is a potentially for it being abused to target POC, I’ll believe her. But it doesn’t mean it is impossible, just that safeguards need to be enacted.

But defining “assault rifles” is also hard, and it is even harder problem about what to about 20 or 30 million that are already in the hands of mostly law abiding citizens.

If we fix “assault rifle” problem we reduce X% of 1% of the gun deaths, scary people we reduce Y% of 99% of gun deaths. It is seem obvious which one to focus on.

7742

The government doesn’t have the power to add people to a non-existent list today. This is a proposal being led by people who think the answer to too many guns in the general population is not to address the guns at all but somehow use subjective judgments to restrict specific people.

You’re asking me if people are being added to a list that does not exist yet. Of course they’re not, but yes there have been multiple attempts to label these groups terrorist organizations with more aggressiveness then we saw for the group that marched on the Capitol.

If such a list exists, yeah I think the kid throwing a water bottle at a cop is more likely to get on that list then the real estate agent that flew to the capitol on a private jet, broke into the federal building and tried to throw out the election. I absolutely do believe that.