Did the most horrible people on earth even attempt to pretend this was the antifa child of trans immigrants? I haven’t peered into the abyss recently.
When I lived in Georgia, the legal age to own a long gun was 18. Has that changed? If not, buying a kid under 18 an AR-15 would be, at the very least, not a good look.
18 for a long gun and 21 for a hand gun. Just looked it up. They did make it easier to carry guns anywhere this year. So that’s cool.
One thing on gun possession that applies in many states (and I assume Georgia): someone under the age of 18 can legally “possess” a gun at home or on property secured and owned by a parent or guardian.
So presumably buying the kid a gun wasn’t illegal, just absurdly poor judgment and utter negligent stupidity after the GBI has visited you about a school shooting threat from said kid.
Usually you can buy your under age kid a gun. Lots of parents would buy their teenagers shotguns to go hunting and the like out here.
Yes, that is the at-home or when hunting/fishing/target shooting practicing, etc exceptions in the possession law.
Glad to hear it, but…
To me, this should almost rise to the level of Conspiracy to Commit Murder. The dad, knowing this, went out and bought his kid a fucking assault rifle. Why would you do that unless you actually wanted your kid to shoot up the school? I cannot wrap my mind around this. This is almost premeditated on the father’s part, I would think.
IANAL, but one of the core elements of a conspiracy is intent.
The prosecutor would have to show that the father intended for his son to deliberately shoot kids at the school when he bought the gun for him – that he told his son to use the gun to kill people in the high school. I just don’t think that was necessarily the case, or that you could present and prove that to a jury.
Dipshit idiot negligence and fatal stupidity are enraging, but they’re not necessarily a conspiracy, I’m afraid.
The things the father is charged with – if convicted – may send him to jail for 20-30 years or more. It’s likely that with all the other charges, adding conspiracy would be some kind of bounce-the-rubble charge anyway.
You’re right of course, but I was thinking the father had to have some idea that this was going to happen. To me, it’s like 2 + 2 = ?
Intent can be inferred, but at least on the current facts, I don’t think that it can be inferred based on the gift alone. The bigger issue against a conspiracy charge is the need for proof of an agreement between the parties (i.e., the conspiring) to commit the criminal act. I suspect the facts aren’t there for that, at all.
As an impartial observer, it’s easy to say, “Why wouldn’t you think your kid was gonna murder a bunch of people?”
But I think that the answer is probably something like very few parents would ever think that their children would be a murderer.
A visit from the FBI and Sheriff is definitely a hint that you should consider the possibility.
The conspiracy to commit murder angle is kind of irrelevant. First off, the dad has ALREADY been charged with murder. He’s been charged with 2nd degree murder (this is what most folks consider “normal murder” - full on murder but without premeditation.) The theory here is that his disregard for the safety of children was so “reckless, willful and wanton” that it is equivalent to intent to kill. This is a high bar for the prosecution to prove but I believe that is very provable here. I believe the sentence for 2nd degree murder in Georgia is life without parole so that’s heavy duty. Also, they also charged him with really serious manslaughter with like a 20-30 year sentence range.
So don’t worry about conspiracy. They hit him with major charges, including murder.
Can we pile on the mom, too? She’s messy. Link here - that likely has a nasty paywall - and the text below
ATLANTA — Marcee Gray, the mother of the suspect in Wednesday’s Apalachee High School shooting, has a criminal record spanning more than 17 years and four counties, court records show.
The 43-year-old has faced prosecution in Barrow, Fulton and Forsyth counties, accused of domestic violence, drug possession, property damage and traffic violations. She has also faced civil fraud charges related to a vehicle purchase and was in jail in Ben Hill County as recently as April, according to publicly available court filings.
Marcee Gray was arrested on Nov. 6 in Barrow County, suspected of possessing methamphetamine, fentanyl and muscle relaxants. Publicly available court records indicate that she was not actually charged with drug possession in relation to her arrest.
The arrest warrant states that Marcee Gray had a glass jar containing methamphetamine, a “baggie” containing fentanyl, another “baggie” containing multiple muscle relaxants, and a glass pipe “used for the ingestion of narcotics.” She also concealed the identity of her Nissan Rogue by affixing a tag for a Nissan Kick, the warrant states.
In December, Marcee Gray was charged with, and pleaded guilty to, single counts of using a license plate to conceal identity, criminal damage to property in the second degree and criminal trespass/family violence. Her guilty plea form, filed in the Barrow County Superior Court, shows that she was prosecuted under Georgia’s First Offender Act, which allows eligible defendants to plead guilty without being convicted.
Marcee Gray was sentenced on Dec. 21 to five years in jail, with the first 46 days to be spent in confinement and the remainder on probation. She received credit for the time she had spent in custody from Nov. 6.
As a special condition of probation, Marcee Gray was ordered to pay just over $1,500 in restitution to an Atlanta construction company, Van Winkle Construction. She was also prohibited from having any contact with her husband, Colin Gray, except through a third party for matters concerning their children or divorce.
Marcee Gray was ordered to participate in a family violence intervention program and to stay away from drugs and alcohol.
An April 5 order in relation to the restitution shows Marcee Gray was at that time located in the Ben Hill County Jail in Fitzgerald, Georgia. An earlier order in the Barrow County case states that Marcee Gray may be subject to prosecution in another county, but does not specify where or why.
A Fitzgerald Herald-Leader crime report from January states that Marcee Gray faced charges of aggravated battery, theft by taking, criminal trespass, false imprisonment and failure to appear.
Publicly available court records show Marcee Gray was prosecuted in 2019 on misdemeanor traffic charges in Forsyth County, and faced a speeding charge in Barrow county in 2014. Details of those cases were not immediately available.
She was also charged in 2008 in Fulton County with 2007 traffic offenses including driving under the influence of alcohol. She took a plea deal and was fined $600, sentenced to 12 months of probation and ordered to complete 40 hours of community service, court records show.
Marcee Gray was sued in 2019 by Nash Chevrolet Company, which alleged that she had bought a 2018 Chevrolet Suburban in September 2018 using a $10,000 check as a down payment. The check, which had both Marcee Gray and Colin Gray’s names on it, was “dishonored due to lack of funds,” the dealership’s complaint states.
Records show that in Gwinnett County, Bank of America had an ongoing garnishment claim on Colin Gray’s paychecks for about a year.
Which is why I phrased it the way I did. Not illegal, but given the circumstances, not a good look at all.
My kid wants out of this country…she already convinced us to do distance learning for the last year of high school…we may end up moving back to former Yugoslavia where my wife has a family house that she owns outright. Never thought I’d rather live there than here…but maybe.
I thought the 10 Commandments had fixed things in Ga.
I was wondering something while walking around today.
Here in PA, and really a ton of places, it’s illegal to carry a lot of small weapons. For instance, you can’t have brass knuckles, or certain knives, or a monkey’s fist which is really just a ball bearing wrapped in cord.
Why are all those things illegal, but I can easily carry a gun?
I’m legitimately curious what the rationale is, if any.