rei
1767
Producer of FPSRussia has been shot dead.
olaf
1768
Yeah that case is strange, surprised it has not gotten more publicity. It happened almost a week ago.
olaf
1769
Some news from one of my favorite websites:
We’ve gotten some data from independent studies in this discussion, but not a lot. NPR has an article today on part of the reason why.
Vice President Joe Biden is getting ready to make recommendations on how to reduce gun violence in the wake of the school shooting in Newtown, Conn.
But he says his task force is facing an unexpected obstacle: slim or outdated research on weapons.
Public health research dried up more than a decade ago after Congress restricted the use of some federal money to pay for those studies.
Oh, no doubt there is a good reason why the NRA is suppressing research.
Houngan
1772
Tiahrt:
“It was an issue of privacy; it’s an issue of protecting undercover officers, prison guards,” he says. “The BATFE was also very concerned because if that information was released to the public, it could affect their efforts to try to get illegal guns and illegal gun sales … off the street.”
Fallout from NY gun map:
Rockland County Sheriff Louis Falco, who spoke at a news conference flanked by other county officials, said the Journal News’ decision to post an online map of names and addresses of handgun owners Dec. 23 has put law enforcement officers in danger.
“They have inmates coming up to them and telling them exactly where they live. That’s not acceptable to me,” Falco said, according to Newsday.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/04/law-enforcement-latest-critics-on-public-display-gun-owner-data-officers/
Just sayin’. Does the NRA try to suppress availability of firearm ownership information? Absolutely. Is it specifically so that some evil truth about guns they already know won’t be made public? That, I’m not so sure about.
How does that relate to how many people get injured in accidents, severity of injury and in what kind of accidents? This is suppression of CDC.
Houngan
1775
It’s part of the same amendment.
In 2003, Rep. Todd Tiahrt, a Republican from Kansas, added language to the Justice Department’s annual spending bill. It says the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can’t release information used to trace guns involved in crime to researchers and members of the public. It also requires the FBI to destroy records on people approved to buy guns within 24 hours.
The putative reason was to prevent second- and third-actor civil suits, which were being created by several sources.
The logic here is pretty thin:
In its suit, New York City contended that the gun makers had made themselves liable under that narrow exception, by failing to monitor firearms retailers closely enough and thus allowing guns to end up in the hands of criminals. Therefore, the city argued, the manufacturers had created a “condition that negatively affects the public health or safety,” and consequently were in violation of New York State’s public nuisance law.
Plus a bunch of others, the article has a decent roundup.
Houngan
1776
Meanwhile, in Chicago:
“You put more guns on the street expect more shootings,” McCarthy said. “I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/chicago-police-chief-well-shoot-licensed-civilians-with-guns/
That’s the Chief of Police.
Hey, that lawsuit logic sounds like a good reason to sue BATFE for Fast & Furious. Thanks for the idea, New York.
I guess I know where I’m headed after the zombie outbreak.
Still a few lots left next to the arms factory.
Lawmaker Plans Bill To Lift Immunity For Gun Manufacturers And Dealers
Add this to the list of proposals to overhaul the gun industry: Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., says he will introduce legislation this week to roll back legal immunity for gun manufacturers and dealers.
Schiff tells NPR there’s no need for the 2005 law called the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act to remain on the books. That law gave gun makers, gun dealers and trade groups immunity from most negligence and product liability lawsuits. “Good gun companies don’t need special protection from the law,” Schiff says, “Bad companies don’t deserve it.”
Another proposal unlikely to make an appearance on the House floor, seems to me.
Sinij
1781
If I had to guess - tastiest brains will be had elsewhere. Myself, I’d be headed to a philosophy department.
Of course, realistically, the Citadel for Patriots is a crazy pipe-dream. I love how they plan to have up to 7000 families living there.
It give me the warm fuzzies to think that a bunch of idiots are going to lose their money on this thing.
You’ll note that they aren’t just gun nuts, they’re preppers too (each home is required to have 1 year stockpiles of food). So, not that different, from the guy building a luxury condo in an old missile silo. There’s apparently a lot of crazy person money flying around in the prepper community.
Wish I could figure out some way to get rich off them.
In the Venn diagram of extremists, I can’t imagine that there is much of the prepper circle that falls outside the nuttiest area of gun enthusiasts, so you were going to get them regardless. That provision is in the bylaws because you don’t want to move there if you think your neighbor will be coveting your stuff, and you damned well don’t want to be feeding him out of your own stores once the Obama-caused apocalypse drags the nation into barbarism.
The reason that the Citadel’s business plan fails is because it’s trying to concentrate people who don’t want to be concentrated. If you’re a firearms-obsessed guy who can afford to leave his job to move to a place like The Citadel, then you’ve probably already packed up and bought your own silo in Wyoming already. None of these people wants to live too close to… people.
Isn’t it a huge security flaw to let those dirty farmers through the inner wall? The farmer’s market should be at least outside the inner wall.
Houngan
1786
Here’s the problem:
Schiff says his proposal would allow lawsuits to move through federal and state courts if plaintiffs could show that gun dealers or makers were negligent, for example, by failing to protect their stores of weapons and failing to keep customers who have felony convictions from getting their hands on guns
Manufacturers have nothing to do with who an FFL sells to but they’re the ones with the money, so they get named in the suit. There’s just no logical reasoning behind the idea of punishing a maker of legal goods for how that item is used. I’m all for punishing the dealers that obviously are supplying the criminals, but the idea that it’s now their responsibility to see through straw purchases or fake ID is a bit much. The logical extension of that is a shop refusing to sell to someone based on appearance, which is another civil lawsuit waiting to happen. The ATF knows who is supplying the bad guys, why don’t they jump on those people with both feet?
