YTM is an unfathomable bungling of the Android subscription music space, given how amazing Google Play Music was for so many years. I am livid over the forced transition. You’ll be much better served by Spotify, Tidal – really, anything else.

Do tell – I gotta say the ad-free mobile YT perk is a selling point that I’ve been considering.

The fingerprint sensor though is 100x better than the one on the iPhone, which literally only works about 40% of the time.

I wonder about Amazon music?

So, I have a very specific use case. In my, ah, younger days, I pirated an absolute shit-fucking-load of music. In fairness to income-deprived teenaged me, I also bought a truly stupendous amount of music, and ripped all of that. By the time I graduated college and moved exclusively to paying for my multimedia content, I’d amassed a library of about 30,000 mp3s, all of which I uploaded to GPM. They represented a fair amount of popular music, but also quite a few oddities that don’t always make it onto subscription services, as well as old albums/albums stuck on previous record labels that sometimes disappear from the sub services because of licensing issues.

GPM rolled this library right into the subscription streaming library, including into search results. Looking for that cool song I liked in high school, something about demons? Search for “demon” and sort the list of all songs on GPM + my private library that contain the word demon by play count and voila, there it is! You could similarly sort search results by album, artist, etc., and your uploaded tracks appropriately were so sorted.

Moreover, having such a massive collection of my preferences already incorporated meant that the GPM recommendation engine was eerily on point for me; every week it’d melt my face off with awesome stuff I’d never heard of, and I spend a lot of my time reading about and searching for music.

Finally, because it was hooked into the Google Play Store, if there was an odd album that wasn’t available for streaming that also wasn’t contained in my old pirated backlog, I could usually just buy a digital copy, whose contents would then also be rolled into my existing library.


YTM fuckups thus far:

Uploaded music library transition was fairly painless, but a modest number of tracks refuse to transfer no matter what. However, the library is completely segregated from the streaming side of things; you need to go into a different search screen for it. In said search, there’s no way to sort based on song/artist/album at all (you have to do that through the library view, which then doesn’t have a search option). The service also doesn’t track play counts at all, so all that data’s gone, and there’s no way to sort for that anymore.

The streaming library itself is comprised of tracks uploaded/approved via a different system that is not the same as GPM’s streaming library. I’ve encountered a few cases where “albums” on YTM have track-gaps where older, non-compliant video uploads have gotten copyright takedowns, and new, compliant tracks haven’t been uploaded. Moreover, some artists/labels haven’t transitioned their upload efforts from GPM yet, so new releases are going into the soon-to-be-sunsetted service and not the new one.

Additionally, the recommendation engine is hot-fucking garbage. It primarily recommends singles, not full albums, and 70-80% of my recommendations are just current top-hits, not at all based on either my uploaded library, Liked tracks, or subscribed artists. Moreover, there’s some weird text formatting bullshit in the recommendation view where the designation Single/Album is displayed first, then artist, then finally the record name, but each box is only allotted so much space, and it won’t wrap or partially show text, so half of them don’t even list the record name at all.

They’re also reportedly shutting down the music purchasing side of things, so while previously bought albums will be included in my obnoxiously sequestered YTM personal library, I won’t be able to buy new ones to fill gaps.

Finally, the playlists are also now Youtube playlists, and vice versa, comingling two services that often have overlap but which are not identical in use for me, in a very mildly frustrating way.

Oh, also backing out of a song I played from an album by an artist I searched for takes about 1-2 more clicks/back button presses than it did on GPM.


Spotify/Tidal/Apple Music aren’t reasonable replacements for me, because I do rely on the uploaded library to grab those rare albums/tracks not available for streaming or purchase online, and it’s not realistic to keep all of those physically on all my computers and handheld devices.

Might be lol. I liked nothing in the default recommends, so when I opened it it started with Mozart.

Amazon music has been through a few transitions. I used to love it, then they changed so much in it, I hated it, and then they changed it again to be more user friendly and I started liking it again, but then they changed it again so I didn’t like it. I just stopped bothering to check after that. In it’s current state, it might be very good again, I don’t know.

Btw, my son was pressing buttons randomly on the Apple TV and signed us up for 6 months of free Apple Music, and since I had it for 6 months anyway, I downloaded the app on my Pixel, and I enjoyed using it for 6 months. It’s not as good as Spotify in certain ways, especially their recommendations, but overall I still enjoyed using the Apple Music app on android. I’d recommend it.

This is stupid but… what’s the Android app store “called”. I don’t know how to download new apps on the Pixel. All I can find is the game store.

Oh nm it’s just a tab. I guess the Play store is also the app store.

I feel your pain. On the Apple TV, since I was unfamiliar with Apple icons, it took me forever to find their app store. It turned to be the icon with paintbrushes for some reason. The paintbrushes formed an “A” shape, so I think that’s why it was the app store.

That sounds pretty fucky. Spotify, otoh, just served me a delightful pop-electronica remix (by Purity Ring, shut up, they’re great) of the greatest trance jam of the late '90s (Better Off Alone, come at me), so they’re definitely earning my $10/mo.

TBH YouTube Premium eliminating YT ads across all platforms is easily worth the $10 all on its own, but yeah, I don’t foresee myself using YTM longterm.

If you really want a widget, it seems like there are plenty of free ones on the store. Or you could probably do it with Tasker. But if you just want quick access to the slider, you slide down from the top twice.

Or pull the shade down with two fingers, which goes directly to the expanded shade. I was really happy when I stumbled onto that one.

Good to know, but I only have one thumb on each hand.

Get one or both of them split, like those snake-tongue body-mod people!

Could this work?

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I purchased two of the new chromecasts and really like them. Performance is snappy compared to my roku ultra. I like the cross app searches and the remote works great. I am a YouTube TV user so the devices fit nicely in my echo system. I’ve retired the AppleTV.

The only app that is missing is AppleTV+ but I still have the roku if I want to watch the two shows that are interesting on that platform. Also it looks like Peacock Network is not integrated in the Google search AI yet.

OMG, I had no idea.

Question for any BeyondPod users: Whom do I have to kill to get its media pane to stick around dependably on the notification pull-down?

I’m curious about this, too. In the last version of Android, there were times I couldn’t get it to go away. The new version in the past few weeks, it wont stick around. I figured they need to update the app for the new system or something.