Gav
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The Neturei Karta date from the early 19th century. Before that, they lived in Europe; it’s not like they’ve been in Israel since the Roman occupation. If they’re your standard for locals, they’re vastly outnumbered by pre-Israel pro-zionist communities.
But what’s the point of all this? Are you trying to discredit zionism, because there are some small groups that don’t agree with a Jewish state? Seems like a quixotic quest, given that history has proved the early zionists right–there needs to be a Jewish state–and, in any case, rightly or wrongly, Israelis are there now; they’re not going to collectively slap their foreheads and say “Wow! Neturei Karta doesn’t like the idea of a Jewish state right now; we’ll just march ourselves back into Europe/Iraq/Iran/Morocco/India/Africa.”
Gav
No, the point wasn’t to discredit Zionism, but to show how the early Jewish, Christian and Muslim communities weren’t at each other’s throats. Just because the example group I mentioned arrived in the early 19th century doesn’t make them any less a pre-Zionist community; movement in and out of the region has always occurred. I would imagine that pre-Zionist mass immigration the sitation between the three religious groups inhabiting the region would have been much like it remains between the Palestinian Christians and Muslims, i.e. not great friends, but not killing each other either.
bago
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Tm: Israel would be the country that would have the greatest interest in noticing who signed the checks for the people bombing them. It makes sense that the intelligence noting this fact comes from Israel.
One should remember that Sharon’s government was a full partner with the US and Britain in developing the information that led Britain and America to believing Iraq had WMDs. One needs to be careful of sources that have a ideological need to pass you information that may not actually be true.
