1581

So how many pages of after-game analysis are we going to do? :)

1582

Until the next game starts, of course.

Though I’d love to hear more from Aceris, though. Seems like he had some things to say.

1583

I really was just trying to stay out of the way, really enjoying reading what you were all thinking! Good stuff!

1584

Yep, I failed Quest 2 :)

I’m wondering how it might have gone if I’d just gone ahead and failed Quest 1, also. Or if I’d lied and said scott was Evil. That would have caused some chaos.

1585

I still think it’s in Evil’s best interests to ALWAYS fail quest 1 if given the chance though it doesn’t seem like most people agree with that.

1586

I think you’re probably right. From what I can remember, both times Evil has won with plot cards, they Failed the first quest.

1587

I generally do agree, but maybe not in this case. Here we had 1 exposed evil and would have gotten a second one on the first quest. So, tough call.

1588

Was trying to keep my head down but there’s no way I could let two in row succeed.

1589

I think mainly scott has covered everything.

So I felt sorry for KS.

  • The initial configuration was nasty. Especially the fact scott knew Lantz wasn’t Oberon, and so would have been able to see a visible RH to EC to.
  • Then to make things worse, Craig managed to accidentally look like a visible evil and incriminate Knightsaber.

But to deflect suspicion its not enough to point at the lack of real evidence, or talk about “well now you only have 5 goods to pick from”(drink). Best case that just ends up with a team like 3e trying to prove you guilty by omission, and succeeding. You need to make other people look more evil than you are :)

Sure it’s highly unlikely you get put on a team again, but you can do damage in other ways :)

Other hilarity:

  • Turns out I decided that Rowe was good because he NCed a clean team, and that clyve was evil because he NCed an evil one… Well done to rowe for picking up on rob’s dodginess. I simply couldn’t put together a scenario where evil would vote yes on both 3a and 3b and clyve wouldn’t NC the first one, but would NC the second.

  • After clyve declared his certainty of Rowe’s goodness this really confused me. They couldn’t both be evil unless I was wrong about Craig. But an evil clyve would have no reason to proclaim good rowe’s goodness. So either they really were both good, clyve was good and had been tricked by masterful EvilRowe play, or clyve was evil and was only pretending to trust rowe.

  • But if they were both good, then RH had to be evil (since I thought 3a contained evil). And if RH was evil, then KS was probably good after all. And if KS was good then one of clyve and rowe had to be evil, because they were on a team named by Craig.

  • This is what got me looking at Craig Percival, KS Morgana, ??? Merlin and looks evil scenarios. This meant merlin had to be joe or Lantz (Lantz Merlin, KS Morgana, scott Mordred, RH Oberon). This would explain Craig protecting KS despite Craig being good. At the end of the day none of this seemed very likely, but I did file the Joe == Merlin thought.

  • Towards the end I was thinking clyve Percival, Rowe Merlin, and Rowe disguising his Merlinhood by firing in all directions :)

  • Scott/Rowe as the Merlin Percival pair would have also made sense given the open warfare between the two, although at no point in the game did Scott as Merlin make sense to me. This is why I was so happy to keep deferring to Scott (also having a known good call the shots makes it easier for good to avoid working at cross purposes). I was hoping to either look like a Merlin being wrong about stuff that didn’t matter and then “getting to the truth” just in time, or look like a Percival trying to work with Scott. There was a nervous moment with the stab on Scott though! I wasn’t that confident.

  • Joe’s terrible Merlin was amazing. I had Joe as Merlin in the back of my mind in case he started speaking up but we identified the 3 he could see pretty quickly so he never needed to emerge from stealth mode. Both clyve and Rowe seemed more likely merlins to me (especially clyve once 3a proved to be clean after all).

I like to come up with crazy theories so I was really happy playing a kind of good pot stirrer role, trying to get evil to give the game away and trying to give merlin and percy excuses to tell us what they knew.

I think without the plot cards the game would swing too far the other way, I guess it would become much more about the voting.

1590

This game reinforces my thinking that good Knights have to be willing to float their theories, ideas, justifications, etc. The different perspectives from other players definitely helped to clarify my thinking.

1591

If you failed Q1 we would know you were evil, and one of scott and lantz was evil. If OC comes up (and it did) RH proclaims Lantz evil and we play the percentages with scott, RH, me, Craig as the team. When that fails too, if we can persuade ourselves to blame Craig then we go on to win, otherwise we’re unlikely to get the information we need and lose.

But at the time you didn’t know craig was Oberon, and if Craig had been good we would have rolled forwards to victory. IMO you were definately right to duck quest 1.

Since you knew Lantz was evil and had EC, you could have said Scott was evil. Then Lantz would have to EC away from both of you, to RH.

We would then have two pairs of “X says Y evil”. Who knows what team we would have ended up with. It would have been delightfully messy.

1592

I think visable evil should always fail a mission although in this game I think it was a bit of a tossup.

1593

Yeah this game was a little wonky overall so might have backfired.

1594

It may have given foothold to the scott is evil bandwagon though.

1595

Don’t worry Knight, it seems I made mistakes a plenty too. Especially when backing you, though I didn’t know that ;)

1596

It’s only the stabbing that I’m crabby about. Since you know, I was right…

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1597

I just found a file called “truth.txt” containing speculations and drafts of “logical” posts for this thread during the game.

It was actually too incoherent to share :)

1598

But we were just setting you up for the most epic moment of our games to date. Ten pages of us two blabbing on about Scott and then you PM fire to stab Joe and her reveal of our victory does down for the ages! I was even confirming that I agreed with you but didn’t want it to be too obvious…

(apparently concocting insane theories after the fact is not a switch I can turn off!)

1599

Insane or not, I was sure this was where things were going…

1600

Thanks for a great game, everyone! I’m out of town for a couple days so I’ll be glad to start a new game after I get back in town on Friday!