Bananas and Nuts

[Hans_Lauring]

You’re not even talking about a book. You’re picking one word out of a book and posting it here to try to be edgy.

You’re a fucking mindreader now?
Just because you didn’t recognize the quote (it wasn’t just that word, it was the whole sentence) you shouldn’t go ahead and assign people nasty motives that there’s absolutely no evidence for. Between you and Buceph, you’re the one doing the name calling.

[Pogo]

You’re not even talking about a book. You’re picking one word out of a book and posting it here to try to be edgy.

No, he’s not.

[Mrenda]

You’re not even talking about a book. You’re picking one word out of a book and posting it here to try to be edgy.

The only way I was trying to be edgy is the fact that I am on edge now. I knew there was a chance that someone would have a problem with it. However, I think it is a beautiful use of comic phrasing that not only summed up Irish history, and the despair in the country at the time, but has now become even more prescient with the huge levels of boom and bust that are changing the Irish racial make-up. The only reason I said it was that someone used the idea of being Irish relating to a hated racial group. I thought they might have an interest in Irish history and culture enough to know the phrase, or if they didn’t they would care enough that what I’m saying now isn’t pointless. And the reason I thought it was interesting that someone used the Irish as a people suffering from abuse is that it’s an alien notion to a lot of people my age who never understood how bad our country was thought of, and the simple case is that we’re going back to it.

Call me arrogant that I would like to talk about Irish things here, but I didn’t say the word to piss people off. I think it is a beautiful turn of phrase that is extremely succinct.

Edit: Not to come across as supercilious, I do think the line is funny as well.

[Zepo1a]

Buceph,

My Great Grandma (long passed away) Came over from Ireland to the US. She used to say she was “Pig Shit Irish”. Is that a term used over there or was it something they made up for the Irish here in the U.S.A? (If you know)

[jerri_blank]

You’re a fucking mindreader now?
Just because you didn’t recognize the quote (it wasn’t just that word, it was the whole sentence) you shouldn’t go ahead and assign people nasty motives that there’s absolutely no evidence for. Between you and Buceph, you’re the one doing the name calling.

I didn’t assign anyone a nasty motive. At no point did I ever call Buceph a racist, so back the fuck off. And believe it or not, I’ve heard the quote before and am familiar with it. I’m just saying that THAT WORD is incredibly offensive, and using it, even if you’re just trying to be Mr. Irish McCleverpants, is inflammatory. There are very few places it’s appropriate to use it. A gaming forum is not one of them.

This is not about not understanding racism, or not being literate - it’s about wanting people to behave with a modicum of decorum and not throw around needlessly inflammatory words.

Hell, maybe my opinion doesn’t mean shit because I’m not African-American. (I’m Irish by ancestry, not that it counts for anything in this discussion.) Maybe the African-Americans who are members here can come in and tell me to STFU. If they do, I will.

[Adree]

I’m a rock’n’roll nigger.

[MattKeil]

I didn’t assign anyone a nasty motive. At no point did I ever call Buceph a racist, so back the fuck off. And believe it or not, I’ve heard the quote before and am familiar with it. I’m just saying that THAT WORD is incredibly offensive, and using it, even if you’re just trying to be Mr. Irish McCleverpants, is inflammatory. There are very few places it’s appropriate to use it. A gaming forum is not one of them.

So don’t use it in your posts. And that’s as far as your say in it goes.

[Mrenda]

Buceph,

My Great Grandma (long passed away) Came over from Ireland to the US. She used to say she was “Pig Shit Irish”. Is that a term used over there or was it something they made up for the Irish here in the U.S.A? (If you know)

I don’t know.

The two phrases I know of anyway similar to it are, “as happy as a pig in shit” (muck for the polite people) which would be fairly common within my family (although I’ve heard it from people worldwide.) And for something with history there’s “ar muin na muice”* which means “[he or she is] on the pigs back” and is used to reference happiness and success with ones life. But I don’t know how it originated.

*pronounced “air mwin na mwicca”

[Zepo1a]

I love that song! Man, that was a good album…space monkies, etc…

[ReptileHouse]

And this is why we can’t have nice things.

[JM1]

And believe it or not, I’ve heard the quote before and am familiar with it.

I am watching Lie to Me right now. I believe you just leaked.

I’m just saying that THAT WORD is incredibly offensive, and using it, even if you’re just trying to be Mr. Irish McCleverpants, is inflammatory.

…

not throw around needlessly inflammatory words.

So your stance is that any use of the word regardless of context is inflammatory? Especially on this board? Really?

Haven’t we had this argument before?

[Zepo1a]

I don’t know.

The two phrases I know of anyway similar to it are, “as happy as a pig in shit” (muck for the polite people) which would be fairly common within my family (although I’ve heard it from people worldwide.) And for something with history there’s “ar muin na muice”* which means “[he or she is] on the pigs back” and is used to reference happiness and success with ones life. But I don’t know how it originated.

*pronounced “air mwin na mwicca”

Ahh thanks, but I don’t think that’s how she meant it. It, to her, was a derogatory term, but she embraced it for some reason and called herself that. It must have come from this end then, off the boat etc…

[nutsak]

I didn’t assign anyone a nasty motive. At no point did I ever call Buceph a racist, so back the fuck off. And believe it or not, I’ve heard the quote before and am familiar with it. I’m just saying that THAT WORD is incredibly offensive, and using it, even if you’re just trying to be Mr. Irish McCleverpants, is inflammatory. There are very few places it’s appropriate to use it. A gaming forum is not one of them.

There’s a different group to get pissed off at you in this country for everything your not supposed to say. Can’t say Nigger, Boogie, Jig, Jigaboo, Skinhead, Moolimoolinyon, Schvatzit, Junglebunny. Greaser, Greaseball, Dago, Guinea, Whop, Ginzo, Kike, Zebe, Heed, Yid, Mocky, Himie, Mick, Donkey, Turkey, Limey, Frog. Zip, Zipperhead, Squarehead, Crout, Hiney, Jerry, Hun, Slope, Slopehead, Chink, Gook.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of those words in and of themselves. They’re only words. It’s the context that counts. It’s the user. It’s the intention behind the words that makes them good or bad. The words are completely neutral. The words are innocent. I get tired of people talking about bad words and bad language. Bullshit! It’s the context that makes them good or bad. The context. That makes them good or bad.
For instance, you take the word “Nigger.” There is absolutely nothing wrong with the word “Nigger” in and of itself. It’s the racist asshole who’s using it that you ought to be concerned about. We don’t mind when Richard Pryer or Eddie Murphy say it. Why? Because we know they’re not racist. They’re Niggers! Context. Context. We don’t mind their context because we know they’re black. Hey, I know I’m whitey, the blue-eyed devil, paddy-o, fay gray boy, honkey, mother-fucker myself. Don’t bother my ass. They’re only words. You can’t be afraid of words that speak the truth, even if it’s an unpleasant truth, like the fact that there’s a bigot and a racist in every living room on every street corner in this country.

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[Houngan]

I didn’t assign anyone a nasty motive. At no point did I ever call Buceph a racist, so back the fuck off. And believe it or not, I’ve heard the quote before and am familiar with it. I’m just saying that THAT WORD is incredibly offensive, and using it, even if you’re just trying to be Mr. Irish McCleverpants, is inflammatory. There are very few places it’s appropriate to use it. A gaming forum is not one of them.

This is not about not understanding racism, or not being literate - it’s about wanting people to behave with a modicum of decorum and not throw around needlessly inflammatory words.

Hell, maybe my opinion doesn’t mean shit because I’m not African-American. (I’m Irish by ancestry, not that it counts for anything in this discussion.) Maybe the African-Americans who are members here can come in and tell me to STFU. If they do, I will.

I think the logical disconnect is in using the word “nigger” as a lightning rod to demonstrate, IMHO, evil as it can be expressed by discrimination. Using the word in the context of “Hey, the Irish had it pretty fucking bad, too” really says nothing about African Americans at all, it’s just borrowing the most convenient superword to express a level of hatred. If other nasty words carried as much cachet as that word then they could equally be used to make the point.

That said, I’m Irish to the tune of 85% or so, and most of my family came over before the US was a twinkle in the North American eye. Perhaps that’s why I don’t give a damn about extra-familial associations, jackassery seems to inhabit people equally regardless of genetic heritage.

H.

[Hans_Lauring]

I didn’t assign anyone a nasty motive. At no point did I ever call Buceph a racist, so back the fuck off. And believe it or not, I’ve heard the quote before and am familiar with it. I’m just saying that THAT WORD is incredibly offensive, and using it, even if you’re just trying to be Mr. Irish McCleverpants, is inflammatory. There are very few places it’s appropriate to use it. A gaming forum is not one of them.

This is not about not understanding racism, or not being literate - it’s about wanting people to behave with a modicum of decorum and not throw around needlessly inflammatory words.

Hell, maybe my opinion doesn’t mean shit because I’m not African-American. (I’m Irish by ancestry, not that it counts for anything in this discussion.) Maybe the African-Americans who are members here can come in and tell me to STFU. If they do, I will.

Still assigning motive, I see.

I won’t back off, because I don’t agree (I don’t agree with Tom about the C-word either, but respect his right to make the rules… but you don’t get to do that).
Context matter. Buceph didn’t use that word in any inflammatory way. According to your rules, we couldn’t have a discussion about racism in P&R where somebody used the word in a historical context to describe racism in the US? We’d have to use euphemisms like “the N-word”…

[Abilio_Carvalho]

[Lorini]

The rule is ‘don’t be a jerk’. There is no rule against using the word ‘nigger’. I have used the word ‘nigger’ in P & R several times, specifically describing the black head of the Republican National Comittee as a house ‘nigger’ because, I’m sorry, but that’s what he is. I’ve not been warned about this usage.

[JM1]

We’d have to use euphemisms like “the N-word”…

I prefer “THAT WORD”. It’s accompanied by a hand-waving gesture.

[Demon_G_Sides]

Let me break this down for you since you are apparently far too stupid to understand it on your own. This thread isn’t a place where mommy and daddy can’t look and you can hide your crayon drawings of Transformers.

This thread is a place where we can freely discuss forum drama. If people shit it up with racially offensive drivel, even if they are trying to be funny, the thread is probably going to go away because Tom isn’t going to want to be associated with it.

I had a post written about how little I care about you and your attempts at being a toughguy, but you’re not going to listen anyways, and it’s not worth anyone’s time AND it’s getting even more offtrack because of your stupidity by responding to it and giving you a need to respond.

So yes, sure, I’m going to die a lot later than you (hopefully) are. Sorry my mom decided to have a kid at -gasp- a different time than your mother decided you needed to be spawned. If only everyone had been born at the exact moment you did, we might all be so amazing as you!

[JM1]

I DONT CARE AND I’M GOING TO SHOW IT BY CONTINUING AN ARGUMENT IN A THREAD THAT’S ALREADY MOVED ON