A Paradox noob here with a question. I’ve yet to even begin to dig into CK2 and found it quite intimidating to learn. Would EU4 be easier to learn from and what’s the difference between the CK and EU series?

I think the EU series is easier to learn that CK2. I feel there is more to do in EU and it makes sense to me. CK2 (in the brief time I tried it) was kind of dull. I didn’t enjoy searching for a spouse or assigning members of my court to things, deciding where to educate my son. At some point I’ll give it another go, but it didn;t give me a good first impression.

As a lover of both games, I would say that the EU would be easier to learn. Both have great interfaces and intuitive game mechanisms, but the EU series is a tad simpler and goals are easier to develop and implement for a newbie. The EU games simulate leading a nation of your choice from around 1450 to 1820. Because of the time period, you can be doing any of the following things: war, colonisation, trade, clever diplomacy, trying to control the pope, managing the protestant reformation, more war, etc. etc.

CK2 is the medieval period, and has an extra layer of complication in that you are controlling a dynasty of people and not a nation. Of course, your characters might be the count/duke/king/emperor over certain lands, but there is still that separation as other people can try to usurp your titles. You will be spending the game making war to expand your holdings and vassals, managing the opinions of your underlings/lieges, beating back revolts from your vassals, using factions and intrigue and diplomacy to get the better of your lieges or your peers, and plenty of religious stuff. The game has a multitude of expansions to allow the control of islamic/pagan/jewish characters (whereas in EU all nations all over the world are playable with the base game, although the european ones have more flavour), but is perfectly playable with just the base game.

The main difference is that in EU you control a nation, whereas in CK2 you control a dynasty (one person at a time). The former feels like a genuine grand strategy game (big, chunky decisions shaping the direction of your nation) while the latter is part strategy game, part soap opera (you’ll get a lot more dynamic ‘stories’ out of it, but you are down in the minutiae of personal relations between individuals which naturally brings about an extra layer of micromanagement). I don’t think one is necessarily ‘better’ than the other - they both scratch different itches.

I would agree with robc04 that EUIV would probably be the easier of the two to start off with. CK2 has some pretty complex inheritance laws and it’s not uncommon to tie yourself in knots trying to figure out what the outcome of a particular choice of action might be.

If one is desperate for the latest AssCreed game on the 360, Amazon has it for $39.99 today per an email I just got. I’m holding out for cheaper on the PC eventually.

Steam daily: Shadow Warrior (2013) $9.99 -75% Matches the GOG sale price! QT3 thread.

Oh look! This daily expires in 24 hours instead of 48. Another sign from the Gabe.

Oh, I thought it was $2.50 and was gonna bite. $10, not so much.

And bought! Thank you!

Price is 19.95 now. Bother.

Sorry for the cross post, but does anyone know if there is a reason to get Aarklash Legacy on Steam vs gog? It’s on sale on GOG right now for 50% off if you get it through the “To Infinity and Beyond” special. You don’t need to buy the other games to get the 50% discount. It is a 40% discount not going through this special. Does the Steam version have any additional features or anything? Doesn’t look like it from the store page. I imagine it will go on sale for Christmas on Steam.

Do you care about keeping saves in The Cloud? If not, then no.

I don’t care about that. I only play on 1 computer.

I bought the GOG version yesterday. Apparently there is no difference.

I got it too. I tried the demo and thought it was pretty good.

They are both complex games that you will need to spend some time learning.

That being stated, I found Crusader Kings II to be more rewarding an experience. In EU4, playing a good strategy lets you create a massive empire. In Crusader Kings II, I accidentally inherited the Byzantine Empire.

I just wanted an alliance with the massive nation, so I married the Emperor’s daughter. Something like 40 years later, all her siblings were dead and she was the Empress. When she died… my character, the lowly king of Abyssia, suddenly found himself ruling a quarrelsome people. A civil war broke out in a month. The term “Byzantine” politics really clicked for me after this experience.

As King of Scotland, I fought the 4th War for Cumberland with England, meaning there were 3 wars before it. Each war was a massive affair that required me to hire mercenary companies to survive. Cumberland itself? A single province. Yet, we fought 4 giant wars over it because… well, because.

Most recently, I was playing as the Great Duke of Perm, a small nation located in modern day Russia. However, as a pagan I was limited to Gavelkind succession, meaning all my sons inherit somewhat equal portions of my kingdom when my character dies. I did a good job expanding it (controlled 11 provinces directly and another 5 or 6 by vassals), and managed to limit myself to two sons so as to somewhat maintain the kingdom when I died. However, one of my sons died of pneonmia, I think the other was assassinated. Regardless, I didn’t have any grandsons, only 4 granddaughters, who split the kingdom when my character died. Now I was playing as a women in control of 2 provinces, and already married with an heir belonging to another dynasty. So, when she died, the game would end. I just went ahead and stopped playing then and there.

I love EU4, and it gives you a great strategy game to play. However, Crusader Kings II gives you great stories to tell. Because the best laid plans will go awry to fun and spectacular ways.

Monster Hunter 3 for 3DS is $19.99 on Amazon. It’s backordered until after Xmas, but you can still place an order.

edit: It sold out quick on Amazon. Apparently Gamestop has it in stock right now for the same price:

Cognitiondeal at Daily Royal, $8.99

http://www.dailyroyale.com/

Not sure if this has been posted, but Newegg appears to have Civ V for $6.89 and Brave New World for $9.89.

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3DS XL is $150 at Target this week. I bought one last week from Target, the special Mario & Luigi version with Dream Team on the SD card, and it makes the original 3DS look like CRAP. Better in every way. Well, except for pocket-fitting I suppose.

Fortunately, they will price-match for December purchases.