She hadn’t gotten anything. Baltar may be an insatiable horndog, but he’s not going to turn over the keys to the planet’s defenses to some woman just because she sleeps with him. In the car, he didn’t even know her name, and the fact that you see with him another floozy later on means he was done with 6.
The great thing about 6 helping Baltar’s father is that in one fell swoop, she placed Baltar in her debt and integrated herself into his life.
bloo
1562
It’s like trying to choose which child you love the most.
Well, arguably he was only done with her because she didn’t stay in the car when he told her to and tried to butt in on his argument with his father, so he told her to GTFO. But even if you’re right, it doesn’t really add anything valuable to his character - it’s more like a pointless ret-con. Before he was easily manipulated because he was thinking with his dick (which, I might add, we were all perfectly happy to believe up to this point and enjoyed the character just fine) and now he’s easily manipulated because he has daddy issues. It changes him from a victim of his own vanity and shallowness to a victim of his circumstances, and personally I found the story of a man who realizes the error of the path he chose form himself and decides to redeem himself in the end (or maybe not) more compelling than that of someone who had their path chosen for him.
Anyway, on the F-bomb debate, here’s what I heard:
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/118963/Baltar.mp3
There might be a hint of an R in there, but it’s very subtle.
Zylon
1564
But the thing is, we already know Caprica 6 gained Baltar’s trust. That scene would have been good drama if the show was actually set during this time period, but as a flashback it’s irrelevant detail. All of the flashbacks were like that. They didn’t appear to tie into the events of the episode in any specific way-- they were just generic filler that could have been dropped into any episode from the last four years.
Back when it was first announced that season 4 would be the end of BSG, I remember feeling (for some reason) terribly disappointed. Cutting off a hit show at only four seasons seemed nonsensical. But now that this last season has played out, I understand why. Moore literally ran out of ideas. The show has been little more than wheel-spinning, flashbacks, inconsistent characterization, and Adama freakouts. And since they’ve been systematically killing off the supporting cast, there’s hardly anybody likeable left.
No it doesn’t. He’s still a victim of his own vanity. If the 6 was able to easily get Baltar’s father into that home, it stands to reason that Baltar could’ve done the same thing. But he didn’t. Instead of treating his father with a smidge of decency, he tosses him into a crappy apartment, pays others to watch him, and hides him from the world. Now if Baltar was poor and couldn’t afford to pay for his father’s care, it’d be different. But it’s obvious Baltar is loaded. He chose to treat his father that way.
If Baltar is a victim of his circumstances, it’s because he’s an asshat who created those circumstances.
The f-bomb is definitely not clear either way, on the HD version I heard it very clearly not being “frak” the very first time and I had to rewind to make sure. I think it could subtly go either way.
— Alan
Daly
1567
Yeah at first ear-glance (sorry) it’s not clear but listening to the mp3 that NowhereDan linked to it’s definitely frak. It’s borderline for TV though - I had to listen a few time to hear it.
FoRmaT
1568
I remember Baltar and Six being at that house together, and Six telling him what he helped doing. They seemed pretty close in that scene. Like, banging. So no, wasn’t over.
i don’t remember the apartment that well, but i thought it was a decent house. or was that caprica’s sunlight making everything look nice? also, i assumed six used her feminine charms to convince baltar’s dad to move(gross or not gross methods used). or did baltar not realize retirement communities existed in the bsg universe and never tried it before?
Lum
1570
Well, the first series had one season (and a few episodes that NEVER EVER HAPPENED). So stretching basically the same story into 4 seasons is a stretch anyway.
Nawid_A
1571
Except they have almost nothing in common besides some names.
The thing that bothered me (most) about Friday’s episode wasn’t the flashbacks, though I agree that they’re poorly timed. It was the fact that the President of the Colonies, who presumably took an oath with the intent of protecting and leading the remnant of humanity, crossed Adama’s line.
Rather than step up when he was needed most, when the fleet was about to lose Galactica and the bulk of its military personnel, Lee Adama decided to walk away from his position (literally) because, hey, he gets to blow shit up in a Viper again. The cranky old doctor, whom we’ve seen is one of several, is considered irreplaceable but the President is good to go.
The mind boggles.
Also, I wonder if Tyrol and the other members of the He-Man Women Haters Club in the brig were given the option to abandon ship before a suicide mission? Or will they let him out because, even though he’s the main reason they’re in this mess, he’s one of the Final Five and therefore has to show up for the end?
Nawid_A
1573
Yeah, THAT bit bothered me. I mean who’s left to lead?
Lee stepping over the line (and being allowed to) didn’t bother me in the slightest. He’s like Bill Pullman in ID4 – yeah, sure he’s the President, but he’s also one of the best pilots they have left, so if they need to get into a do-or-die battle, YES, TAKE HIM. Not really that similar to Cottle’s situation, because there’s no reason to assume the Doctor is going to be of much use in a fight. Field medics probably aren’t all that useful in ship-based space combat.
If their mission fails, humanity is pretty much d0med to be primarily made up of Baltar’s harem anyway, so screw the contingency leadership plans.
Athryn
1576
The council of captains that replaced the quorum.
Granted, but the producers made a point of having all types of people on both sides of the line. It shows unity between military and civilians, but it also means that Galactica’s going to be saddled with a lot of know-nothings running around trying to be useful. Cottle would have to be better than them.
Splitting hairs, I admit.
Zylon
1578
Just because they volunteered, doesn’t mean Adama has to take them.
Editer
1579
But Roslin looks to have weeks to live at very best. So really, she has nothing to lose to by going along. And she’d just be a liability staying back.
wahoo
1580
Quick aside: Tom is so right on 33. That episode was just tremendous and bought the series years of goodwill. It was the best piece of TV I saw that year. Just a great job from the writing, cinematography, acting. You felt exhausted both physically, mentally and morally by the end. Gripping and it set such a high bar that the series never attained again.
While I enjoyed the tech battles, I really enjoyed the overall story (defeated humans run from Cylones) and the character drama more. Where the series lost me is that in the middle seasons, characters seemed to deviate from episode to episode. Baltar has always worked, because his character is pretty consistent. But the gyrations of Apollo and others were painful at times.
Maybe part of the problem is that I find this Apollo pretty unlikeable given his selfish narcissism.
