1721

And they didn’t actually give up all of their technology. They brought a bunch of stuff to the surface with them, like Raptors, the binoculars that Roslyn was using, the teleportation device that Starbuck had, and all those crates and packs of supplies (which probably also contain medical supplies). They got rid of the ships, but it seemed obvious that they kept enough to get them established.

1722

So if Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, are the existing humans shown on the planet Neanderthals? So BSG humans interbred/killed all the neanderthals and then took over. Sounds about right given the timeline and general personalities of the colonists.

I was sort of hoping the angels would name drop some previous iteration of the cycle, to establish that kobol wasn’t the first world this happened to. If it IS, that’s kind of a short cycle actually.

Anyone have a transcript of the angel talk? I feel like I missed some bits of it.

1723

You do have to give them props for borrowing their ending from Douglas Adams.

1724

Well… that was a big FUCK YOU from Mr. Moore to all the fans who stuck with this show to the bitter end.

And yeah, they’re all gonna die. People raised in a modern urban civilization cannot spontaneously manifest agrarian survival skills.

1725

But Baltar’s dad was a farmer!

1726

calley avenged! yay! tori’s nervousness was hilarious right before the data transfer.

tyrol snapping tori’s neck was awesome and in character for him. plus, those two acts of violence totally screwed the cylons.

not that it mattered because…racetrack was killed: awwwww. :( even if she was on the wrong side in the mutiny. still she took out the cylon colony after she was dead.

dean stockwell’s suicide bit was great. i laughed out loud at that part.

good ending, not perfect. but the opera house section worked really really well.

the angel stuff was clunky but at least the head 6 and baltar finally got together. starbuck disappearing was a bit disappointing.

and what the hell was up with the lee and the pigeon? i think someone explained it in the last thread but i forgot it already.

i’m surprised no one bitched about the raptors jumping out of the starboard museum/landing pod without blowing up the ship. and apparently whenyou don’t retract the pods and jump it breaks the ship.

i think you overestimate their chawnces

1727

You’re assuming two things:

1: That none of the 38,000 people left alive know how to farm. I’d say the odds of that are pretty small.
2: That someone who’s never grown crops can never grow crops. It’s pretty simple, you know. You put a seed in the ground and it grows. If you want a lot of the same thing, you put a lot of seeds in the ground.

1728

Watch the scene again, they blow the shit out of the starboard launch pod.

1729

I do IT for a living, and I have always lived in cities. My grandfather was a farmer, and I’ve spent summers on his farm, doing this or that. Backbreaking work for a soft ass city boy, but not impossible. I’ve also grown gardens with my mother. My mother was a university administrator and a cop, she’s also slaughtered chickens. My dad is an electrical engineer, but he also put in his time on the farm, and can do carpentry and masonry. A coworker of mine who was a grants management specialist just quit her job to follow her true love, forest conservation, and she does all kinds of wacky wilderness survival stuff. A guy I know used to work for the Red Cross and now owns his own farm, and another guy I know was a biochemist and unix sysadmin before heading off to run his farm.

Yes, it’s going to be rough for those people, they’ll make mistakes, they’ll suffer some deaths, but assuming that they just completely lack the skills to make small settlements in reasonably well chosen spots is silly.

1730

Which made it exceptionally peculiar when the Galactica jumped out and DIDN’T blast a giant hole in the colony.

Also, was there supposed to be some significance to the fact that every single character’s flashbacks involved heavy drinking?

1731

You do realize that BSG draws a lot of it’s premise from the Book of Exodus right? They’ve been preaching gods (god) since day one. I would like to know what the whole Starbuck thing was and they’re saying the Daniel was never part of her storyline. That seems like bad writing. Why hell even mention him then?

1732

must be inversely proportional to mass. that’s why iraqtica didn’t get vaporized when galactica jumped out of the atmosphere.

we never find out what happened to hot blond marine with sandwich and bald tattooed asian pilot.

1733

You guys noticed the Ronald D. Moore cameo, right?

1734

Kinda hard to miss it; he fills like a third of the screen.

1735

And that was just his hair!

1736

I thought that was a bit forced and a big let down. All those visions of four characters only presaging a short escort of Hera to the CIC.

Weak.

1737

The more I think about it, the better the finale gets. The show was never building up to a finale, it was already laid out. The finale was almost fan service. Excellent job and I can’t wait for The Plan.
I think BSG is flawed, yes, but went it gets on a high it doesn’t let go. But now that it has, I’m pleased.

1738

Wait … you think Buffy had a better ending than this? The Buffy ending sucked and was in many ways utterly ridiculous (Anya death). The ending we got for BSG is incomparably better in execution and effect. So it does leave a few loose ends to interpretation. But to me that’s preferable to killing one of the best characters on the show and then just shrugging about it, as if it was nothing more important than spilled coffee.

On an unrelated note, I loved (head) Baltar making a point of saying IT doesn’t like that name (“God”). Way to tease the audience Mr. Moore.

1739

I was kind of “eh” on the whole thing (other than the space porn, of course. I love me some space porn). The whole notion of an ambiguous higher power never sits well with me, in the real world nor in fictional ones. It works in fictional worlds when the higher power has some sort of plan, some sort of motivation that characters work in service of or in opposition to. This one doesn’t - “it” was perfectly content to sit back and allow the same thing to happen over and over again, and seemed to only intervene in order to perpetuate the cycle to no end. There was no goal, no end game, just repetition. They even said in the end that the only reason the human/cylon war wouldn’t happen yet again is due to the law of averages, not because of a god’s will. So basically the entire supernatural plot struck me as hollow and unfulfilling. That includes Starbuck.

I also agree on Lee’s idea of ditching all the tech being fundamentally absurd. They spend all of this time talking about how all that matters is continuing the survival of the human race, and then they do something that’s totally contradictory to that idea by throwing their best tools for preserving human life into the freaking sun.

1740

Starbuck was Gandalf. Duh.

I don’t know why, but I got kinda choked up at the moment Baltar admitted to knowing about farming.