I ended up with the same opinion. The whole ‘science is bad’ schlock used to make me angry, but now it just tires me out.

Agreed. I’m a little ambivalent over the whole wrap-up…

There were touching moments, but as a whole, I don’t know how to feel. The Space-Porn was relatively weak.

I kinda agree. Maybe it was because everything went according to plan with little drama, maybe because the main cast weren’t fighting in Vipers, Raptors, etc, maybe because I just didn’t care for the puke yellow background they were fighting in, but it wasn’t one of the more memorably battles of the series for me and it certainly wasn’t a patch on the space porn in Exodus Part 2. Pegasus’ last stand was far more compelling than Galactica’s last stand.

…I’m with the “that ending was just awful” crowd. So bad it diminished the series as a whole.

Space fighting stuff was o.k. at the beginning - some of the best effects ever, really - although I never really thought the forced confrontation made any sense. I liked the assension of the lawyer and Gaida’s buddy as the leaders of the fleet. But the rest was just disastrously bad.

  • Why would the Cylons all be in one place, when in earlier seasons we saw them taking over the colonies? They also seemed to only have a couple of baseships instead of the fleet?

  • Why did Cavil care about Hera being the first cylon/human hybrid? So his group of allied Cylons could learn to reproduce, even though they’re all male models?

  • Why did Cavil storm the Galactica personally, instead of just sending in 10,000 Centurians? Or 100,000?

  • Why did Cavil, a character who has shown a single-minded dedication to survival - risking everything to restore resurrection, etc. committ suicide?

  • If Starbuck was really Gandalf the White (ugh - replete with white cylon ship she came back in after falling) – why in Hades was she obsessed with the wormhole imagery…which actually led to nothing other then a portal to a false/useless Earth? Why did she come back solely to lead them to the false Earth. Her ship was programmed to lead them to …the false Earth.

  • Why did the Cylon model that kinda looks like Kevin Spacey never have any lines in the final season? That was actually really distracting, especially in the final episode, where he walked around like a dumbmute, killing people.

  • So Helo’s femurial artery looked severed - Athena couldn’t leave him or he’d die, but in a noble gesture he tells her to go get Hera anyway. Yet then he’s a-o.k., just hoping along at the end?

  • Why abandon Galactica instead of using it as a mobile weapons platform? Why abandon the fleet at all? There was zero dissent to the plan to devolve into sticks and stones? We’ve warred with the Cylons to find a new home…to devolve into barbarians? Survival of the human species is now secondary – no need to keep things going anymore, just split up and we won’t worry about repopulating or rebuilding our lives. We’ll all just die off in case we make the same mistakes as we did in the past.

  • Oh, and all that fuss about Hera being so important to the survival of both species? Um, forget about that, but she’ll displace all existing human gene lines on this innocent planet and eventually her descendents will recreate an exact duplicate of our society, down the the Cognac. What about saving the Cylon half? ERrm, nevermind. Shhh.

  • Um, why did Adama decide to run away from his son forever? Why did his son, and Starbuck/Gandalf, know that he wasn’t coming back?

  • why do none of the original five seem to give two fucks about resurrection? Obviously it’s something they’ve used for centuries now, but none of them (even Ellen, who has her memories) seem to care whatsoever about losing their coveted immortality?

  • Lap dances are $20 each in the ancient past? Man, that’s some stable price fixing. The show went off the deep end at some point, where it decided that rather than depicting an alternate human society (which clearly was the original intention, with unique architecture/style of Caprica, etc. somewhat modeled on the Romans/Greeks) they’d just be lazy and make it identical to our society. Same furniture, ornaments, stocked bars, presidential press corp, mafia suits, cable news reporters, stripper poles…it just brought a needless goofiness to the show.

  • The “it’s all God’s plan”, and “head people are Angels, as is Starbuck”, and the opera house was relevant because… well, it came back at least, even if Caprica 6 and Balter grabbing Hera just led to Hera being recaptured by Cavil anyway. But none of the “core mythos” stuff fit together in any sort of elegant way, or ever really made any more sense than other shows that wing it as they go along, like X-files, etc. In a way it seems like Moore, etc. choose “it’s God’s plan” as the answer solely because it brought in “God works in mysterious ways”, etc. in order to have a blanket to cover the absurd amount of inconsistencies.

Anyway, I liked the series though - it had a lot of issues, although no more than most sci-fi/fantasy shows and it was fun while it lasted, and I’ll miss it. It highlights the sad state of the space sim genre when even this show’s popularity couldn’t spawn a new space sim game despite being custom-made for a franchise.

One last question:

  • What was the implication of one of the show’s last lines - Head Balter’s line to Caprica Six - “he doesn’t like to be called God”? Just a joke, or implying that it another puppet master?

Not sure if it has been confirmed in any interviews, but I had heard that he was scripted to die but the actor fought hard for his character to survive.

I’m not particularly bloodthirsty about main characters having to die, but I thought it was pretty darn bloodless for a final suicide run.

Yes - I wanted a happy ending (wish Starbuck and Apollo ended up together), but they shouldn’t have painted such a dire scenario if they weren’t going to show consequences…the only person killed off was the traitor pilot girl.

…even that death was kind of embarrassing – did they really have to have her fall against the armed weapons button to launch the nukes in a Jar Jar Binks “oops” fashion? Did her copilot really have to launch into the cheesy auto-death foreshadowing “that reminds me of when we were back doing the Kessel run…”. Jesus, why didn’t they just wheel out the I’m “retiring tomorrow, as soon as I check out this last routine call” trope.

Also,

That was a major WTF moment for me. When Adama started off with “I dont’ have much time” and it was clear they were saying final goodbyes, I thought we were about to get a revelation that he was dying too (which some had guessed when he was popping a lot of pills earlier this season). But no he wasn’t. So with Laura and Starbuck gone, wouldn’t it make sense for father and son to keep in touch since they are the only family left to each either one of them? Adama can have his cabin and Lee can go off on adventures and come home periodically. And they’ll probably get along better than they every have before since they won’t have the fleet and politics getting in the way.

But no, Moore couldn’t resist amping up the emotion ever more and making it a final goodbye just…because, I guess.

Desslock is dead on. So much of that finale made zero sense.

–The rescue itself was absurd. The fleet is days or weeks removed from an all-out mutiny, yet hundreds of people decide to go on a suicide mission, no questions asked? And the plan of jumping in was idiotic as well. Last week, they decide to go for it. Then this week, they just grab Anders and plug him into the bridge, assuming that he’ll be able to mind-fuck the hybrids in the colony. Deus ex machina, anybody?

–Adama leaving was bizarre. He just takes off, and Lee and Kara don’t even exchange so much as a WTF? I didn’t understand any of that. He goes from this huge we’re-all-together rallying cry to just bugging out days after reaching Earth? Also, if he was just going to leave, then why did he hand command back to Hoshi or whatever his name was? The whole thing seemed spur of the moment and nonsensical. I could understand Adama going away by himself to be with Laura for a while and actually live together in that cabin. But with her dying moments after liftoff, there didn’t seem much point in him doing the cabin thing regardless to be alone with her corpse in the ground a few feet away. The show was supposed to be about the survival of the human race, yet in the end more than a few of the leaders of the fleet fuck off to go die alone? Weak.

–I’ll never, ever buy the unanimous decision to send the whole fleet into the sun. That was just pure nonsense. And what about that raptor? And Adama’s viper? They keep those around for the odd joyride?

–The Cylon end was ridiculous as well. Cavill killing himself moments into a firefight was a total huh? moment. That was totally out of character.

–Also, the freak-out when the chief killed Tori was senseless, too, because it had no ramifications on anything. I thought that this ruined the chance to make peace and end the cycle. So it kind of had meaning for a moment. But then this murder just wound up serving to wipe out the mean skin-job Cylons and setting the humans and friendly skin-job Cylons free to found Earth II. This whole scene just seemed added on at the last minute. What was the point of dragging back Callie’s murder at the very end of the series? It happened ages ago and the writers basically never referred to it again. They even made the murder seem less important by revealing the chief’s lingering feelings for Boomer in the final episodes and that the kid wasn’t his. Yet in the very end, suddenly Callie’s murder is OMG!! gotta kill her!!

–All I really liked about the finale was Kara vanishing and the post-150,000 stuff on our Earth. Not that any of that was dramatically satisfying or made any real sense, but it was spooky and cool. Especially how Kara just disappeared. That came totally out of the blue and kind of gave me a chill. Really emphasized how everyone was being played by God, the angels, whatever the hell they were.

–Oh, and I also loved one-night-stand Laura. Yum. But I still don’t get the importance of that scene. She bangs the young guy, then suddenly has an epiphany and joins a political campaign? Uh, why? I get the whole “I can’t waste my life” thing, but she apparently hated politics. So why get meaning out of life from that? It just wasn’t set up properly. To me, it would’ve made more sense if she’d realized that she needed to stop isolating herself after the deaths of her family and opened up to falling in love with student hunk guy. Not use meaningless sex as the rationale to get into a career in a field she says she hates.

Anyhow, this series was a total mess after the first season and a bit. I can’t believe the way some people are practically orgasming over it in the media, still. I mean, check this out, written by Maureen Ryan at the Chicago Tribune. Crazy.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/03/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-finale-moore-mcdonnell-olmos.html#more

As an afterthought, yay for the old-model centurions.

Cavil killed himself because he is a control freak. If he was gonna die it certainly wasn’t going to be at the hand of another.

Also, there’s no reason to think destroying the Colonies killed every Cylon. As Desslock mentions, there are others on the occupied colonies, in ships, etc. But they no longer have resurrection, nor the capacity to reproduce so the skinjobs, at least, will die out.

And if they never get the hang of farming, the hunter/gathering looked pretty good. I didn’t actually have an issue with destroying the ships. After being trapped in those tin cans for so long I’m sure none of the survivors wanted to stay a single day longer within their confines. Even if they mostly settled on the ground, who would man the fleet in orbit? I wouldn’t expect volunteers. Earth 2 ain’t no frigid rockscape like New Caprica.

When Lee was having that final conversation with Starbuck, I just knew, when he turned away in mid-sentence, that she wouldn’t be there when he turned back. It made perfect television logic. Pretty disappointing, them being star-crossed lovers, and him not even being able to give a proper goodbye. That and Adama’s departure from the group felt overboard, like RDM was pumping for emotion. It didn’t feel like a natural arc for those characters. Although I enjoyed the finale on the whole, and I can’t claim that I would have done better, I think the audience deserved a less bittersweet ending.

Overall I liked most of the character notes the final hit – some heartstrings were tugged. The production as usual was top notch, music, editing, everything. But man, if only Moore gave a crap about the plotty stuff the show could have been one of the great ones. He never seemed to be able to tie the plot into the themes he wanted without wrenching it one way and another. Great character moments that lose much of their weight behind bizarre spiritual deus ex machinas.

And the ending was so unbelievably on the nose it almost spoiled the whole thing, not to mention coming across as uncomfortably anti-science. An entire montage of robot scenes, really? Could you at least have just stopped after panning up to the dancing sony bots?

As a random TV show it was still really enjoyable, still one of the better shows this season, but the feeling that it could have been so much better is hard to shake and it kinda spoils it.

So God is V’ger?

I had no problems with Lee ordering the ships to be scuttled. I’m sure if I had spent years confined on a spaceship with hundreds (or thousands) of others, I would gladly get give up the ships for the wide open space of plains and valleys of Earth.

Remember, the admiral said a throw away line that all the colonists would have shared data to help them survive.

My only major beef with the series finale was Kara being an “angel.” I had no problems with the head Six and Baltar since they were non-corporeal. They still didn’t explain how she got a new Viper.

Ghost viper!

Actually I realized that main reason that there’s no way they would have ever have given up their technology is that without it they wouldn’t be able to keep constantly drinking.

Pish posh. A still is dead simple. And the most isolate hunter/gatherer tribes in the world still manage to brew various kinds of beer.

First half was decent space porn, then it turns into absolute crap. Dancing robots at the end? My gods.

That’s how it always start. Dancing is the devil’s work!

Wow, not only is this TL;DR but the thread has passed me by as well!

Led by the 6’s and the 8’s (Caprica 6 and Boomer), the Cylons abandoned the Colonies to follow the humans to Earth. The Colony, as explained by Ellen Tigh, was where the mechanical Cylons went after the war between the skin job Cylons (the 13th tribe, created by the Kobol civ) and the mech Cylons on Earth I.

I guess they were hoping they could lure back the 6’s and 8’s post rebellion, unbox the 3’s, or since Cavil and the 1’s had assisted with the creation of the other models, make some new ones who would be more amenable to reproduction au natural.

Because those guys were getting their old-school asses handed to them by the Red Stripes?

Because he knows the jig is up and wants to go out on his own terms? I read a reference to him saying he had offed himself before early on in a trench on Caprica rather than bleed out slowly over hours. Of course there is the difference of no rez this time but the idea for the suicide came from Dean Stockwell, who thought it fit his character better than what was scripted (an Emperor’s fall courtesy Tigh).

Getting to the real Earth was a critical step in then getting to the next Earth (ours is only Earth because, as Adama said, they were looking for their Earth, and when they got here, they found it). Without her and her assigned numerical values to the leitmotif, they never would have found our Earth.

The survivors wanted a clean break from their past. It was noted somewhere that when the original surivivors left Kobol, it took them several hundred years before they rediscovered starflight. This time, they wanted more time for us to “evolve” or allow for our hearts to catch up with their tech or whatever claptramp Lee was spouting there at the end. They were willing to live fairly crappily on New Caprica, bleak as it was, for a chance at a new beginning. This was just the next step. Someone, I believe Romo, actually says something along the lines of “I can’t believe people are as amenable as they are to giving up what’s left of civilization”. I think an argument can be made that those who were left were so traumatized by the experience that radical solutions heretofore unthinkable became attractive. Cottle had tested the DNA at a burial site and had determined that the survivors could interbreed. Indeed, part of Lee’s plan was to give the culturally undeveloped but anatomically similar humans “the best parts of themselves”. So by doing this in this way, survival was assured, or at least greatly enhanced.

She’s half-Cylon. She was the MacGuffin which caused events to unfold just as “God” wanted them to. Without her, no reason for much of the series to happen the way that it did. The Cavil-faction wanted her to figure out how to reproduce without resurrection;Her picture on the Memorial Wall pushed Adama’s button such that he wasn’t going to leave her to Cylon vivisectionists.

Because he was moving to the other side of Africa if not further and without a working Raptor the chances of making the trip were going to be almost impossible?

They were humanoid Cylons who had learned to reproduce naturally on the 13th Tribe Earth until prompted by “visions” to re-discover resurrection in light of the coming internecine apocalypse. They didn’t appear to age (how did that work with Tigh in his years with the Colonial Fleet and Adama all those years?). They had also been “humanized” so long that perhaps they come to accept their mortality? Perhaps they associated rez with Cylons and rejected it out of some lingering dissonance and distaste for their long-assumed enemies.

I read somewhere the sameness was deliberate as they “knew” they were going to end up around our Earth culture, from here: RDM interview post-press viewing of the finale

Translation: The guys at SYFY were busting my balls about the budget and I wanted more pewpew spaceporn. Lapdances I have bought all over the world have been $20, so why not other worlds? Also, science.

Isn’t this like his third series to go out the same way? I think its because a crutch for him, to a certain extent. If you only tool is a hammer, then all of your problems look like “$X’s Plan”!!!one11!!cake!.

Where did those TC’s go? You are so right about the space-sim genre, though. We will always have that XBLA thing, though, right?

The exact quote is “you know it doesn’t like to be called that.” I assume it’s RDM attempt to re-insert some ambiguity. I believe given his comment about whether Head Baltar and Six are supposed to be angels or demons/devils, he intended to perhaps have it taken the OTHER way, if you know what I mean, while also leaving the door open for a host of other explanations. I also read a couple of interpretations where supposedly Baltar was referencing his penis.