I still think it would have more awesome if Galactica turned out to be the last cylon.

I’d go native if I had the chance to help repopulate humanity with a Six and/or an Eight…

…snark aside, it was her. She was in a previous episode as well- just a quick shot - this time I went back like 8 times and yes it was Dee. If you have the episode, it is just before the battle starts - Adama is by his table, moving the cylon tubes out of the way so he can stand there- he wiped the goo off his hands then the shot of Dee. Go back and look.

Adding one more funny- Adama looking at Baltar and telling him he has a one track mind. It really brought up the it is time to move on wrap up. Plus it made me laugh.

Ronald D. Moore confirms in a post-mortem interview that the script he had written called for Tigh to kill Cavil. This was a revenge moment for the loss of the eye, not to mentiom, “The Swirl”.

The scene as written originally had Cavil up with the Final Five near Ander’s tank. Cavil starts the “it’s a trick” bit after Tyrol kills Tory and the fight unfolds as shown. The difference is that Tigh is now near Cavil and Tigh attacks him, throwing him off of the raised platform on to the deck/equipment/CiC table or somesuch below which kills him.

The change calling for Cavil to kill himself came from Dean Stockwell, not RD Moore. As Stockwell saw Cavil, he believed Cavil held himself to be an egotistical superior control freak who would never permit himself to be killed by lesser beings. It was Stockwell who insisted that it made more sense for Cavil to shoot himself rather than be killed.

The director and RD Moore agreed with Stockwell’s request and so that’s why Cavil kills himself instead of being killed by Tigh, as originally written.

I would have preferred to see Tigh kill him. I think that would have been a better payoff for the audience. But given the deference that Dean Stockwell received on the BSG set as the most experienced actor there (which is saying a lot, given the cast on BSG), they deferred to his sense of the scene.

I don’t have it recorded, but I did look twice at the actress in the CIC. But my perspective might be colored by the McClure’s own statements that she wasn’t there.
http://scifiwire.com/2009/01/dualla-speaks-about-last-nights-battlestar-episode.php

I know she’s dead- she killed herself. BUT that aside, if you go back, there are now 2 shots-very short- that show her-possibly mistakes but if you look, it is her-or her twin.

Not to derail then, I liked it…generally. I suppose it could have been better but with where the show went, I think it was a good ending.

Really? I honestly think Stockwell was right on the money. It was just truer to the character for him to top himself, and it made for a sad final comment on his life and works. It was always about the control, and he’d rather accept the certain death of self extinction, going out on his terms, than for a moment have his fate in the hands of another. It was just as it should have been.

Dude, the actress said she wasn’t there on the set when the episode was filmed. I’m not sure what else could convince you.

That might hurt their profit margins, but it sure as hell wouldn’t hurt their crops; especially with pristine soil to begin with.

Sending the remnants of the fleet into the sun didn’t bother me that much. Nor did the dispersal of the population versus centralization.

With under 40,000 people and precious little infrastructure remaining, there was no way they could hold onto advanced technology. Everything was going to wear out, and nothing was going to be replaceable. Try to prolong the decline and you end up with New Caprica. And New Caprica probably depleted the ability to repeat the attempt on Earth2. In addition to that the way things play out with a central city and dwindling irreplaceable tech presence pretty much guarantees power imbalance and descent into feudalism.

Everybody falling into line with the idea was a bit overly rational. But I didn’t find the concept itself patently absurd.

But you’ve had this faceless mob bitching about everything for four years. Harnessing the will of the fleet has been the go to conflict, and they’re suddenly all fine with this.

Tell you what, I’m landing my ship, and I’m going to go ahead an start my city, instead of dropping it into the sun. Okay?
Or are you going to shoot me like you did to our last president?

I’m moving to Andrew’s city. Maybe we can have ‘hunter-gatherer tuesdays’, though, so we don’t fully miss out on the experience. As far as irreplaceable technology goes, sure, some of it was, but haven’t we seen them mining for ore and manufacturing, if nothing else, ammunition? Why couldn’t those manufacturing facilities have been removed from the ships they were in? Surely most of the ore mining and processing equipment could have been. With those two things, you’re already, at bare minimum, in the iron age, instead of the frakkin’ stone age. Even if nothing else, you’re a hell of a lot better off than you are by firing all your frakkin’ ships into the frakkin’ sun.

So many years later, I’m a little out of touch with my own feelings of the period, but I do have a pretty clear memory after months at a time underwater of wanting nothing more than to get out of there, and stay out – handy nuclear reactor nearby or not (not that that aspect of the comparison goes far). That said, my cravings were usually torn between serene (even bleak) landscapes and a juicy hamburger. Luckily, I could usually find the latter en route to the former, so things worked out.

If none of the industrial ships can make an atmospheric entry, you have no space station to to disassembly, no cargo heavy lifters to transport massive equipment down to the surface… There are hundreds of dependencies without which everything falls apart.

Not arguing that they glossed over the human aspect of the decision, that could have been a couple more episodes of exciting talking! However, they were already pushing credibility that they could have kept the fleet going as long as they did, especially after New Caprica.

Lee Adama kinda reminds me of Pol Pot.

I’d still bet that Adama’s amazing hut is going to be 50% Raptor shell.

Yeah, his bio is pretty amazing. I mean, Olmos is no lightweight, but Stockwell’s has been acting pretty much non-stop since the mid-1940s.

Yes. But only to a point. They would not have semi-conductor mftring or extremely advanced pharmaceuticals. However, they would otherwise be able to restor a mftring level of ca. 1930-1960 without too much trouble within 10-20 years, and back up to their modern standards in a generation or two after that.

Could they produce the food to sustain themselves in the short term? Easily. Are the natural resources readily available? Damn straight.

Try to prolong the decline and you end up with New Caprica.

Not even close. New Caprica was a marginally habitable planet. Earth was greater in natural resources than any other planet in the 12 colonies, according to Adama.

It’s not close; it’s not even remotely close.

And New Caprica probably depleted the ability to repeat the attempt on Earth2.

In what way? Moreover, New Caprica was a restart in a barren planet with a miserable climate with few resources. Later, that colony was forced to sustain itself during an oppressive Cylon occupation. Earth 2 would have been a paradise in comparison.

In addition to that the way things play out with a central city and dwindling irreplaceable tech presence pretty much guarantees power imbalance and descent into feudalism.

Feudalism? To stave off the fearsome flint wielding natives? Each other? With all those resources available? Don’t think so

Here’s how it would have gone down.

There would have been the establishment of a central city. There would have been an emphasis on collecting building materials (wood, for now) and some ores for supplemental mftring and copper for electirical wiring. Most of that would have initially been simply melted down from a few ships (Hello Galactica. Jump in. The water is warm. Welcome to the crucible).

Having used Galactica as the base metal resource for their early essential mftring and machinery assembly plants, they would have focussed on food and harvesting production. That would not have taken too long.

Then the big social question comes in to play. That’s where the rubber will hit the road:


Administration: “We need more people!”.

Colonists: “Yes we do. So say we all”

Administration: “Women should have a minimum of 6-8 children as their patriotic duty. Roslin’s banning of abortion remains in place. Birth control is now banned, as well”.

Women: “Uhm… Look we agree with the need, but… We don’t want to all be baby factories! There must be another way!”

Administration: “Sorry. Patriotic duty for the species (and you know it.)”

Ding!: "Wait. There’s an alternative. Let’s use these native women for this explosive reproduction plan".

Doc Cottle: “We could use their genetic resistance to native disease too. Without it, we are one rogue virus away from accidental extinction.”

Baltar’s Harem: “So capture the native women, and use em for breeding. Multiple wives. Patriotic duty. And we can teach them to talk and about God, too. And meanwhile, we educated women can continue with the REAL rebuilding efforts, education, health sciences, and our spirituality, etc…”

Dissenters: You are going to FORCE me/my husband to have sex with these primitives?"

Adminstration: “Alright. So… law is, a family unit to have, say, 8 children in 15 years. Sound ok?”

Majority of Men perking-right-the-hell-up: But you can add your children born to indigenous women to get to that family unit quota? How’s that? We all good with that? (much nodding and snickering)."

Majority of Women: “Better than being up to our asses in diapers all day. The breeders will sleep in other bedrooms though. We say Yes.”

Adminstration: "They have terrible hygiene - but the younger ones will clean up I suppose. Extra hands for the basic house tasks.

Majority of Men: Cool! Who said the Apocalypse was a bad thing? Our “patriotic duty? <chuckle>”

Dissenters: “Hell no. We are going to form another Colony”

Administration: “Off with you then. Go.”

Administration: “We are agreed then. So say we all?”

Majority of Colonists: “So say we all”

No feudalism. No real tech loss. Civil strife and racism? Sure. But life would find a way. The sexual mores and marital habits of this society might be very odd by modern standards for quite a while, but they’d manage until they no longer needed it. During the colonization of America, the acceptable age for marriage of a female was reduced to 12 or 13 where there was a great shortage of elgible women. Humans are a very morally flexible species where necessity suggests a real need. We’ll kill, enslave, rape and we’ll find less direct and overt ways to accomplish those very same goals and deeds, too. It is simply a matter of adding a veneer of civilization and rationalization to it all - chalk it up to patriotism or - better still - religious duty? We’re in with both feet.

Societies will relax their institutions and mores for emergency preservation of the species. If all that means is that pre-language stone age people will be “civilized” and turned into breeding slaves against their will - my guess is that this would have been ratified in the name of the preservation of the species. Rightly or wrongly - they would have done it in three heartbeats, at most.

So they go from Cylon slaves to back to some Old time classic human slaves: “All of this has happened before - and of this will happen again - (but next time, with better perks).”

I was thinking that as well. Even if Galactica was “destroyed” in the final jump, it would still be a useful resource to have on planet.

See, this is the problem. The game of “what if” is far more interesting than “we did nothing”.

There is no way they would have just accepted it. And the fact those kind of political disagreements were often at the heart of the series makes that gloss ring horribly false to me.

The problem with the nitpickers who wanted to see the Colonial ships kept is that then there’s the problem of explaining why modern humans haven’t unearthed aliens spaceships from 150,000 years ago (although I’m sure the tinfoil hat wearers would disagree with that…).