Bleep Qualcomm right in their Qualcomm-hole

Interesting, I have read that Ericsson has used a % of unit cost number instead of flat rate in the past:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0970389617305098

Do you think that % of cost itself is the main issue or some other kind of leverage? I am long removed from the industry and only very casually follow things anymore so I am curious on your thoughts.

I know from experience that large engineering companies have been specifically steering standards to include as much of their IP as possible just for such reasons. I had always just seen it as Qualcomm being better at that game than a lot of other companies (clearly they had a huge start with all of the early CDMA technology IP that has now been adopted in some way or another by most if not all the various OTA protocols).

It’s not about a percentage-based vs. unit-based licensing system as such. (They’re really all unit-based systems at heart, since AFAIK there’s always a cap on the unit price. The numbers I’ve heard for that are around $500, so it should not be the case that going from a 64GB to 128GB iPhone X has any effect on the license costs).

If you go by the published price lists, the numbers seem pretty sensible. Qualcomm asks for 3.25%, Nokia and Ericsson for 1.5%. Those numbers aren’t too out of line with their prospective patent portfolios. But somehow when it comes to actual revenue, Qualcomm it’s not a 2x difference but a 5-10x one.

That’s because it’s not the case that somebody asking for X% in FRAND fees is actually going to get anywhere near that. E.g. Motorola was asking for 2.25% license fees in the suit against Microsoft. This was with like a dozen LTE patents out of a thousand essential ones. Unsurprisingly that percentage didn’t hold up in court, and they got 1/100th of what they asked for.

The public FRAND terms are clearly just fiction used as a part of the negotiation. The real prices are much lower. Except for Qualcomm. That’s what I mean by leverage: somehow they manage to negotiate a far better deal than any of their equally savvy competitors with just as large patent portfolios.

Most likely they’re using access to their LTE baseband as a bludgeon.

Yeah, there’s 20 companies all trying very hard to get their own IP into the standard. And they’re all very good at it, so there’s a practical limit to how big a slice of the pie any one company can get.

Yes, this ↑ all these companies don’t randomly lawyer up and spend a ton of money on all the lawsuits against Qualcomm unless they are being bled.

All these companies lawyer up and go after each other all the time:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-google-settlement/apple-google-settle-smartphone-patent-litigation-idUSBREA4F0S020140516

Qualcomm can and does suck, but you can’t use on patent lawsuit existing as proof because this is standard state of play.

Not just companies – countries

more than one country, as I recall.

So we want Apple to be violated in their apple-hole too, right?

Who will e-think of the e-books? We’re e-waiting.

Also, minor aside, there’s an unfurl issue around https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Apple_Inc.

The wiki page has the unnecessary period at the end, obviously I could just manually strip it, but surprised that it being present would block the unfurl box thing. :shrug:

@Fishbreath Note the sites that benefit from recent JavaScript optimizations in Chrome 66.


meta.discourse.org is the one in purple here, but remember Discourse is a 100% pure JavaScript app, so to get more benefit from JS optimizations than we do is… quite surprising.

The full list of tested URLs is in the code here. In the top graph, the sites which benefit from JS optimizations more than Discourse are:

  • http://www.pinterest.com/categories/popular
  • http://reddit.musicplayer.io
  • https://cdn.ampproject.org/c/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37344292%23log%3D3
  • https://www.googletagservices.com/tests/gpt/168/impl_manual_tests/tests/five-level-iu-sra.html aka MultipleAdSlots

Big setback for Apple in UK FRAND case

Is there a short version of this?

Not that I can find, actually, but there’s some background here. It’s basically a jurisdiction issue. As regards the setback, basically the judge granted summary judgment in Qualcomm’s favour on all but one claim, and said he was nearly persuaded to the do same on another, but will instead hear more evidence from Qualcomm. On the other hand, Qualcomm didn’t persuade them that the case couldn’t be heard at all in the UK because of the US proceedings.

I am a total stranger in this thread, but I loved its original title and am a bit sad that it seems to be gone. Sorry for interrupting.

Yeah, who bleeping changed the bleeping title?!

Bleep you, melon bleeper!

Holy mother forking shirt balls! The title changed and I’m dying to know who did it, and why.

You are missing out on the forum ARPG to track all these things.

A very short summary that hopefully is accurate enough for all parties involved:
Another newer thread had a title that was considered somewhere between offensive and potentially unwelcoming by various people (feel free to insert your own ruling on it) and during the discussion of that thread title, this thread title was brought up in a general ‘why is this title not okay if the f’qualcomm one is cool’ and @wumpus agreed and chose to edit this one.

To find the full details you must find them yourselves. Perhaps you will find it a very hard thing to do.

The game is afoot.

edit- forgot the snide clue thing

Aha! Found it. Thanks for the clue.

This is still the most disturbing topic title on qt3 in my book. It’s like… how wrong can your life go? And the answer is very.

I see someone likes anime. Meanwhile, Android performance is abysmal for a decade on the entire planet because of this canker sore of a company.

The good news is that the Snapdragon 845 is obama-not-bad.gif on performance, finally. That’s right Android fans now you can finally buy a device that’s almost as fast as an… iPhone 6s. Yay.