Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD

So according to the numbers (and a thread I’m too lazy to look up) Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD 3 to 1… but those numbers are hardly impressive when regular dvd is outselling both 20 to 1.

I’ve had a chance to play around with the HD-DVD addon to the Xbox 360 and watch some Blu-ray movies on the PS3. Now I ask this question to those who have WATCHED BOTH, which do you think is superior.

I just finished watching Casino Royale on Blu-ray and much admit that regular dvd will be tough to watch - but i’ll try at better upscaling dvd-player, before I shell out 650$ for a player and start rebuying my dvd-collection.

I haven’t rally toyed with HD-DVD yet, so it’s too easy for me to vote in my own poll. I tdoes look like the Blu-ray features have extra material, where the HD-DVD just offers HD-quality for a premium.

What do you think?

I don’t think there’s any real question of technical superiority. Authoring has a bigger impact. But both support the exact same video and audio codecs. The interactive features will be different, but that’s not much to go on right now. Blu-ray discs simply hold more data. I think right now this is most often evidenced by the inclusion of lossless audio tracks which are far less common on HD-DVDs.

As Brad has stated, from a technical standpoint, there’s little difference. There’s some stuff on the manufacturing side, there’s the capacity difference, and there’s cost to the end user.

Personally, I care less about HD-DVD winning and more about Blu-ray failing, just to see Sony end up with more egg on its face. Stupid? Perhaps, but Sony’s one of those companies I could hate on endlessly for the shit they’ve pulled in the last 15 years.

I think blu-ray has better name recognition than HD-DVD. That sounds confusing to consumers, like DVD/R vs. DVD/RW or something. It doesn’t sound like a “new” product. I think it will easier to sell bluray to mom-and-pop Smith who can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080 if their lives depended upon it, simply on name alone.

The blue laser technology underlying both is not only the same technology, it’s made by the same company.

I just want a large capacity data archiving solution based on blue laser technology at a reasonable price. How long is that gonna take?

Define reasonable… I think at this point buying spare hard drives is more cost effective than any high capacity optical format. In any case BR is more geared to writing and it is a more mature platform in that respect. I don’t even know if there are any HD-DVD burners on the market.

I’m not sure how anyone could see a difference between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, unless it’s due to the difference in capacity (30 GB vs 50 GB for dual-layer disks).

That said, I’m sure Blu-Ray will win… whatever race both formats are in. Which is not necessarily the race to dethrone DVD, mind you.

  1. Blu-ray is championed by a company that makes films which people want to see. HD-DVD doesn’t have any content providers that are exclusively tied to the format. Content ultimately decides everything.

  2. Blu-ray does have more capacity right now which makes a difference in terms of soundtracks and extras.

  3. Rimbo thinks HD-DVD will win. Case closed!

Whenever I see an ad for some shitty movie with “available now on DVD and Bluray” I’m reminded of the exact same tag lines for UMD a year or so ago. That one failed and it didn’t even have a competitor.

I do? Where’d you get that idea?

I think both formats are losers.

UMD is hardly as compelling as Blu-ray.

Except that Toshiba has announced 3-layer 51GB discs for HD-DVD. While they may not come to pass, there aren’t many dual-layer Blu-Ray discs right now either.

Additionally, the interactive features of HDi (the HD-DVD menu authoring language) seem to be better utilized than BD-J so far.

  1. Blu-ray is championed by a company that makes films which people want to see. HD-DVD doesn’t have any content providers that are exclusively tied to the format. Content ultimately decides everything.
    Um, totally false. Both Universal and Weinstein Company are HD-DVD exclusive. There were rumors that Universal was switching recently, but those are false.
  1. Blu-ray does have more capacity right now which makes a difference in terms of soundtracks and extras.
    Theoretically, yes. Several recent Warner releases (which come out on both formats) only have DD+ soundtracks (higher bitrate DD) on HD-DVD, though. Here’s a quote about The Fountain:

Right now I can buy a stand-alone HD-DVD player for $300 and a stand-alone BD player for $800. If that disparity continues (because of the Blu-Ray price premium) then I think inevitably HD-DVD will “win” simply because it’s on track to have a huge lead on being the one to hit commodity pricing first.

(I’m actually reasonably tempted by the $299 Toshiba player + 5 free discs offer showing up in ads this weekend. If I hadn’t just bought the 360 I’d probably go for it. )

I see bestbuy.com is advertising a Samsung blu-ray player for $500. Presumably that means you can get one for less somewhere from a hungrier discounter.

Whichever one Wal-Mart decides to push.

I do think that Blu-ray will end up winning when PS3 sales pick up. A lot of buyers will realize that they already have a Blu-ray player, so why buy an HD-DVD player?

Examples?
The HD-DVD’s I’ve seen so far has just been the movie, while Blu-ray has offered additional material like we’re used to from DVD’s (as well as a lot of Blu-ray trailers)

It seems like Blu-ray is doing the best marketing, despite the scorn most people here have for the PS3, it’s capabilities are getting known and even though people might not be buying it, they do know it’s a Blu-ray player.

Heck, Casino Royale is one long Sony/Blu-ray commercial with all the product placements.

Both formats are technically the same, with movies around 20GB. Blu-Ray
has used the larger space for extras, but just looking at the boxes, it seems
like none of the discs sold here have anything worth speaking of. They’re pretty
on a proper screen, that’s for sure. I just don’t see a need at the current prices.

Wal-Mart’s picking up HD-DVD. Supposedly.

Have already picked up, from what I saw. Still in its early stages though, it seemed to me.

Which will not work on current players? Non-starter. And dual layer BD releases have been pretty common place since the end of last year.

Um, totally false. Both Universal and Weinstein Company are HD-DVD exclusive. There were rumors that Universal was switching recently, but those are false.

Yeah, but either company could go multi-platform quite easily since they are independent.

Theoretically, yes. Several recent Warner releases (which come out on both formats) only have DD+ soundtracks (higher bitrate DD) on HD-DVD, though. Here’s a quote about The Fountain:

Interestingly it looks like the Blu-ray release only has DD English audio, but there is a French 5.1 track as well which is missing from the HD-DVD. Strange decision, but I don’t think that is a very common state of affairs.