Bond. A Daniel Craig Bond. 2019.


#102

I think the rumor was that Danny Boyle’s script was killing off Craig’s Bond, and Craig didn’t like it. So I don’t think we’ll see him die in this one.


#103

If I’m not mistaken, the whole gist of this Bond was that he’s a dinosaur in a modern age. Skyfall in particular is him earning the reason to stay on in his role while the new M was looking to a different future. He proved he was needed over the course of both films.

I read threads here at Qt3 hating Bond and I don’t really understand it. I’ve enjoyed all Craig’s twists and turns through these films. They feel grounded in ways the others do not and I like that modern take on the character.


#104

You’re right, but that was in such sharp contrast to his character in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. When he was introduced, he wasn’t a dinosaur, and he had no nostalgia for the Cold War. He was a brutal guy who didn’t give a damn how his martini was prepared or know the joys of a tailored suit–at first. Edit: he fit in with a new post-9/11 world filled with renditions, shifting loyalties and sneak attacks very well.

He was a 21st century caveman who suddenly became a dinosaur.


#105

Maybe not a dinosaur, but he was described as a thug and blunt object by M in Casino Royals.


#106

If I recall correctly, that is how Bond was actually originally described by Fleming. He was not an ueber-sophisticated, polished master spy. He was a pretty rough man (for a rough trade).


#107

Agreed.
I remember after seeing “Skyfall” thinking that “this is possibly the best Bond film ever.”
Then again, I’ve only seen each of Craig’s Bond films one time each, and I’ve loved them all, so maybe my opinion will change. Maybe they won’t hold up under closer scrutiny. But so far, I think the Craig films have been wonderful.


#108

I agree, but then I also like the Timothy Dalton films


#109

He was just so damn serious all the time.
I will forever be haunted by the image of Dalton and Maryam d’Abo being chased down a ski slope in a goddamn cello case and using the cello like a rudder. And even then, he was just so serious.

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#110

Living Daylights is underrated.

Crag is half and half for me. Casino Royale is probably the best Bond movie, and Skyfall is not far behind. Quantum and Spectre are plain bad.


#111

I thought we agreed Skyfall was bad because Bond fails at everything in that movie? I don’t remember all the failures, but he fails to protect M, which was sort of important.


#112

Why would that make it a bad movie?


#113

Yeah, by that logic The Empire Strikes Back is a bad movie.


#114

I think that we do not really expect to have a Bond movie where the villain actually accomplishes exactly what he set out to do.

I also don’t think the writers realized they did that. If it has been intentional, it would have been one thing. But I think it was one of those movies that was so short sighted, at the end of the day, they didn’t even realize they had written a plot where the villain actually won.

Beyond that, there really wasn’t a point to the movie. Villain wants to kill M. Villain succeeds. Bond is old. Oh, there’s a new M.


#115

So you completely missed the subtext of M and her history? The idea that both Bond and M are having to confront their past and the decisions they made? The villain had very specific reasons for attacking M in a very specific way. Bond and his past are as relevant to the story as M and her past are too.

Sometimes I wonder if people watch different films than me? Are there cuts of the movie that are different in different theatres or something?


#116

I was slightly trolling @Balasarius because I don’t think he literally just meant Bond failing automatically meant the movie was bad, and I don’t exactly agree with your analysis either, but I appreciate that you did flesh it out a bit.


#117

Yeah. I know why he wanted to kill her. And he did. Okay?

The movie really was the villain getting what he wanted. Like, his plan worked. I really don’t understand why that’s a Bond movie. It’s not really the point of Bond movies.

We know he’s old. We know they’ve done bad things. None of those things are revelations. And even if they were, the movie did not do a particularly good job of making them poignant.


#118

It’s actually my least favorite of the original trilogy by a large margin precisely because of this. . .

. . . and curiously, I didn’t love Skyfall, either. I mean, it’s better than Quantum of Solace, but so is poop!


Hmmm. I am really bad at subtext, to be fair. . .

No, this reading doesn’t make me like it more, either. Ah well!


#119

Word is that Cary Fukunaga has been picked to be director for Bond in 2019.

— Alan


#120

Welcome to 27 days days ago! (I had to scroll up to see when @Soren_Hoglund posted that).


#121

Wait what, how did I miss that???

— Alan