1741

They were the same pants, director Rian Johnson tweeted about it.

Seriously though which decade do you think this is?

1742

I noticed it, but I couldn’t tell what it was. It looked to me like a piece of plastic sheeting, all twisted up and dirty, but I couldn’t figure out what that would have to do with anything. That was one obscure callback, especially since they didn’t reference the pants going missing in the flashback.

1743

Pretty much what I expected on the big plot points, but an incredible episode anyway. Hank’s death, Walt’s phone call trying to clear Skylar, etc.

I still believe the flashback leadup stuff is about freeing Jesse to put right what little bit of the mess he created that is still possible to partly fix before he dies (of cancer). But I wouldn’t bet one way or another on how well that works out for Jesse (or Walt, but he’s already terminal).

1744

Why would he suddenly decide to save Jesse though? Jesse would be dead, at Walt’s command, if Meth Damon didn’t intervene.

1745

Not sure I follow. Who’s dying of cancer?

1746

Walt. Have you seen the show?

1747

People sometimes decide things in the heat of a very emotional moment that they regret forever, lucky(?) for Walt fate intervened and Jesse wasn’t killed.

Heisenberg is dead now. Broken, defeated Walt will have no choice but to confront the gigantic mess he left behind in his empire building and when he finds out Jesse is alive (my money would be on news reports about how the extremely pure meth has reappeared on the market) and is being held as a cook, he’ll try to save him. Not sure why people are trying to overthink this like they did with Hank’s very obvious death coming up after the previous episode, but this is a pretty obvious and fitting footnote on the story of Walt and Jesse. Of course, the rescue is likely to go sideways (Scarface style, foreshadowed seasons ago), but its the thought that counts.

1748

The one where using punctuation properly means you look less like an ass when attempting to make points about writing style? <g>

1749

For either his stated reason (extract useful information), or it was his plan to turn Jesse into his drug slave from the word go. Now, that is a level of planning probably beyond the character, and he simply saw the possibilities along the way. Waste not, want not.

1750

Well I was pretty sure you didn’t mean Jesse, but since I don’t understand what you were saying and the pronouns didn’t help, I was trying to get an explanation, and hey, maybe you really were putting forth a crazy theory about Jesse having cancer (that’s why he smokes in the flashback!). Let’s try again:

Not sure I follow. Are you saying the flashback offers any reason that Walt or anyone else is going to free Jesse? I didn’t see that at all, but I’m also not sure that’s what you’re suggesting.

Nothing I saw in the episode, in the flashback or elsewhere, indicates that Walt has any indication of rescuing Jesse. It’s not ruled out, but it’s also not yet suggested, in anything I caught.

Right after the shootout, Walt’s ready for Jesse to be executed right in front of him. That certainly seemed genuine, he was ready for the Aryans to have Jesse killed earlier, and now he’s probably blaming Jesse for Hank’s death too.

By the time Holly gets through to Walt at the end of the episode and whatever’s left of Walt’s humanity lets him return her and make that phone call, he doesn’t have any reason to believe Jesse is still alive, nor are we sure that this change of heart would extend toward Jesse even if he knew. It could certainly go either way, but again, I’m curious what you saw in the flashback that you think is setting the stage for Jesse being rescued.

edit: Or when you say “flashback leadup stuff”, are you talking about the flashforward stuff? Man, this is confusing.

1751

Also confused by your response. Delirium is asking why Walt would save Jesse, you’re…telling us what Meth Damon did?

1752

He might even want to mow Jesse down along with the Aryan Nation members. Jesse might take his revenge on Todd, he might take his revenge on Walt after Walt saves him - it can go any number of ways beyond I think Walt wants that kind of firepower because he will be going after the guys who took his 70 million dollars and he is most likely dying anyway. So, go out on his terms, rather than the cancer’s.

1753

I’m confused by your response - Todd saved Jesse, for at least the short term. Walt may save Jesse, long term.

1754

Sorry corsair, I can’t tell if I’m adding to the confusion or what, but here’s how I read this exchange (apart from my own questions for CCZ):

CCZ talks about Walt maybe saving Jesse, delirium is asking why Walt might save Jesse, not why Todd in that moment did save Jesse.

1755

Todd already saved Jesse from imminent death in the desert to teach him how to cook meth more purely so he can impress Lydia (the stuff about getting info out of him wasn’t a lie per se, but clearly not his main intent).

Walt will (in my predicted future) save Jesse from captivity at the hands of Todd & his family (or try to anyway).

Nah, I really don’t see it. In the heat of the moment, Jesse was the reason Hank died. He was the rat who brought Hank there. Now that he’s lost his family Walt has to confront the fact that the root cause of every terrible thing that happened over the past couple of years is his own pride. He should have accepted Gretchen and Elliot’s money. Or he should have gotten out after a couple of cooks, or (…etc, but always his pride). I suspect his real family will be in a witness protection style program, and the only family he will have left to attempt to save is Jesse.

Next week will be mostly about showing Walt going to New Hampshire, living there, maybe seeing news reports about how the pure Heisenberg style meth is showing up in large quantities in the southwest. Walt’s family being pulled out of the picture mostly, strife between Marie and Skylar, but all of them being moved away for their own protection (against Walt, who isn’t a threat but seems to be based on his call). Then the last episode will be Walt coming back to town and shooting some shit up, killing Nazis, trying to save Jesse.

1756

I agree. Meth Damon knows that Jesse’s cook is superior and he doesn’t give a shit about Walt’s desire for revenge on Jesse. He only says that so that they can get Jesse out of Walt’s sight alive.

1757

(Taking your word for it and only skimming all that) Then my mistake and my apoligies for confunding us all. Damn Blackthorn wand…

1758

Okay, here are my predictions:

  1. Walt is going out a hero. You may feel fucked up about him now. You may have felt fucked up about his behavior in the past, but you will be rooting for him in the finale. Remember when he threw that explosive bit of crack at the crazy drug kingpin in the first season. It’s going to be like that, but better. Know why? Because now Walt has a big ass .50 machine gun in his trunk and the fucking Nazis have his 70 million. That shit does not fly with America. You can shoot up all our DEA agents, but if you steal the wealth from our hero, you must die. Especially if you’re a Nazi with swastika tattooed on your neck.

  2. Skylar is going to die next week. Or maybe in the finale. Her time is coming, her days are marked. She should have listened when she tossed the coin at four corners. We know her fate is sealed, because Walt rips up his bacon on his fifty-first birthday. I’m going to guess that he loses his whole family next week, Rose and Jr. included. Won’t that be fucked up on the heels of losing Hank? Somehow the Nazi’s are going to be responsible. Why? Because there is a small contingent of Americans that don’t care about Walt losing his money, but do care about the death of innocent children. This is the plot point that will get them on board. Everyone must root for Hank next week. The real pleasure in watching BB is that the writers know just how to weigh each side of the scale to expertly manipulate the viewer.

So I am probably totally wrong, but why not. What are your predictions? Why?

1759

My earlier prediction in the thread has been pretty accurate, though the bit about Marie trashing Walt’s house and painting Heisenberg seems a bit less likely. I think she has the potential to go out next episode with the Nazi’s looking for Jessee’s taped confession. I think Skylar and family get through unscathed, Walt has already essentially lost them. Also, he got in the Minivan at the end of the episode so his interaction with them should be basically done. I have a feeling next episode we are going to see some more stuff from what occurred behind the scenes before Walt made his getaway to NH, I think the promo for next week is actually this.

1760

I wonder about Jesse’s taped confession. Would Hank have left that at home or brought it with him in the SUV to the desert? If he left it at home, wouldn’t he have wanted to swing by and get that before taking Walt in? Yet, he tells Marie that he won’t be home for quite a while.