Oghier
3084
Is there any way this whole thing doesn’t end in some form of disaster?
Depends on whether you consider a disaster for the Conservative party a disaster.
Oghier
3086
I mean for your country ;)
Both the US and UK went on benders, fueled by racism and propaganda. But we can undo much, if not most of the damage done here in fairly short order. Some orange juice, some eggs… we’ll be mostly OK by 2021. Your damage appears to be more lasting?
I can see some of the damage being undone if the WA, or something like it, gets passed, and we row it back into EU or EEA membership during the transition. But a) there’s no easy reversing the damage unleashed on EU citizens and minorities, and b) in a no deal outcome it will take generations to heal. Even in (what is for me) the most optimistic scenario of revocation of Article 50, things are going to get very ugly for a while.
I’d take the shirt term ugliness of revoking article 50 until the country gets its shit together and then leaves with a clear idea of what to. Do, and with preparations in place.
Even better would be analysing what people actually don’t like, seeing what’s due to the EU and what’s due to bullshit from bojo et al, and seeing what can be changed within the existing system (which as I understand it is actually a hell of slot.)
Hurting the country to satisfy myriad demands based on misinformation and downright lies of a very slim majority who don’t have a cohesive plan strikes me as insanity, especially as any plan enacted won’t appease said slim majority.
I bet no matter what shit happens now, the EU gets the blame.
From over here, it does not seem that there is any possible deal (aside from EU member in all but actual membership) which does not do great harm to the UK and its citizens. Sure the planning and prep sucks, but no amount of planning and prep makes real Brexit a good economic idea or can produce a good outcome.
So is Labour way less into Brexit than the Tories or more?
If way less, why wouldn’t they be for a second referendum that just said “Remain after All, Sorry for the Fuss”?
Is there such thing as a “good faith fallacy”? I.e. where you mistakenly assume your opponents are acting in good faith?
I’m not so sure about that. Between the judicial appointments and the damage done to the environment, not to mention an entire political party that now openly lies and thinks nothing of it, the damage trump has done will likely ripple through decades.
We’re not sure yet who will win the 2020 election, either. Even if it’s not Trump himself, he’s lowered the standard for everyone who comes after him. His policies, judicial appointments, and across the board deregulation mean it will just become that much easier for the GOP to screw us over in the future.
rho21
3094
The Labour party is essentially anti-Brexit but has a pro-Brexit leader. This means there’s a great lack of drive to campaign for anything that might lead to no Brexit.
Be clear its most of his front bench, his entire office/advisory functions and every ally and comrade he’s had in 35 years. Not just Corbyn. The sabotage, the confuscating positions, the contradicting press conferences don’t come from this dimwit alone. His team are far more dangerous (because that’s where all the smart cookies sit) This is an institutionalised resistance to Remain coming from the governance and leadership functions of Labour.
Miramon
3097
That’s the captain. The queen takes refuge in France, preferably somewhere nice like Nice.
Man was Blackadder the bomb. Is it on any of the streaming services? I do see that some (all?) of the classic Python oeuvre is on Netflix in the US.
Apparently Prime, Hulu and Britbox have it.
So, agree to a deal that no one wants and then have a people’s vote (aka a referendum? ) on that deal, a simple. Yes. Or no?
Or a range of deals.
What could possibly go wrong?
jpinard
3102
Nigel Farage is claiming tons of people are signing up for the Brexit party and posting the numbers as proof as to how popular they are. What he doesn’t realize is…
Lols.
Still, he may be right in calling the withdrawal agreement the
worst deal in history
.
Well outside of things imposed after you lose a war.
