3224

Ireland doesn’t have a culture of anti-Semitism. Ireland has a history of political support for occupied territories. Ireland gets called anti-Semitic all the time using the same sort of torturous pseudo-logic you use.

We recently had a bill pass in parliament that banned the importation of all goods from any territory designed by the UN as being occupied. How did Israeli media and politicians respond?

“anti-Semitism”

Forgive me if I have less patience for the kind of disingenuous arguments you use when it comes to Corbyn and anti-Semitism, where you link understanding or empathy with outright support, or else just invent links that simply don’t exist.

3225

This is the culmination of 3 years of this.

From my perspective you’re the guy who appears in the Trump and Neonazi thread demanding evidence the Alt Right, ethno-nationalists and Trump supporters arent racist. “It’s clearly just criticism of Islam and illegal immigration” You can sealion elsewhere. Like I said, although ive pulled back off Twitter and front line activism and only really doing stuff with my real life name in my CLP and regional forums and I cant be bothered to start linking the databases and hundreds of examples that are at least for Labour members, well known issues about well known people. Especially as my work sees people trying to dox me so they can expel me from the party.

If you think people like Alan Bull, Jim Sheridan and Sir Duncan Michael’s slurs, attacks on “the Jewish community” and holocaust denial is “criticism of Israel” and their consequent exoneration and reinstatement by Labour Compliance isnt representative of institutional racism then you carry on waving that flag, but I dont sit in a world where you deny the Holocaust and then are protected by the Head of Compliance. That’s your world. Not mine.

3226

Ok, but when people say that you’re making things up, they will be right. Claiming a position for Corbyn that he doesn’t espouse is making things up. It doesn’t really matter that you think you have a good excuse for making things up, it’s still making things up.

3227

This is also making things up.

3228

It’s called sealioning.

He claims to have never seen anything but he’s popped up under numerous examples in earlier threads or this one and towed out the same line. Wilful blindness and denialism is just as much racism as using slurs.

All he had to do was type “Tanya Gold” into search.

3229

In actual Brexit news, are there enough votes in Parliament to delay the Brexit date to avert a no-deal Brexit?

Brexit: Greg Clark, Amber Rudd and David Gauke issue delay warning http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47336501

And, if there are, what is the shape of any possible deal? Or is it just kicking the can down the road a few months?

3230

And yet again, you’re ignoring where I’ve said there is an issue with rising anti-Semitism. The reason you’re ignoring it is because it means, rather than have to defend your nonsensical conspiracy theories, you can just attack something i explicitly don’t believe and tear that down instead.

And I don’t “sealion” you, I actually read the sources you provide, see that they don’t say what you claim they say, and reply to you asking why you’re posting sources that don’t say what you paraphrase them as saying.

  1. Labour and Britain have an issue with the rise of anti-Semitism

  2. Casual anti-Semitism coaxed in anti-Zionism is becoming tolerated by too many people

  3. Corbyn hasn’t tackled anti-Semitism in labour in any meaningful way

  4. Corbyn is a terrible leader

I’ve said all those things before in different ways, while replying to you.

Still you reply as if I’m claiming there’s no issue with anti-Semitism. There is an issue with anti-Semitism, that isn’t mutually exclusive with an issue on your consistent conspiracy theories around Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser and arch anti-Semite.

As for the tanya gold article, I can see why you love it:

Then Jackie Walker of Momentum said, “Anti-Semitism is no more special than any other form of racism.” There was an ovation. I think it was the line they had been waiting for.

.

I did not hear a passing remark. I heard a deep rebuke from Walker that spoke of general, and eternal, Jewish immorality: that Jewish concern for Jewish safety and for the memory of Jewish dead is something tainted.

No thanks, I think I’ll read from slightly more credible articles.

(I also disagree with the line anti-Semitism is no different, it is different because it can be legitimised by conflating it with anti-Zionism - but her writing is pure guff)

How about, don’t fake sources, don’t obviously lie about sources, don’t claim ‘facts’ and then attack anyone with the temerity to ask for evidence - and you won’t have to worry about people ‘trolling you’.

3231
  1. Be selected as a Labour Councillor candidate.
  2. Get caught posting 4chan Holocaust denial memes on Facebook Group full of Stormfront links
  3. Get suspended after whistleblowers in his CLP complain
  4. Head of Compliance writes an email to the governing board exonerating the suspended member and suggesting reinstated
  5. Letter is leaked
  6. Head of Compliance resigns from her position. Remains on the governing board. Remains signatory and director of Momentum
  7. Holocaust denier remains “on hold”. To this day.
  8. Whistleblowers are suspended
  9. Whistleblowers subject to harrassment and abuse
  10. Whistleblowers leave Labour
  11. Along you come to say there isnt a problem at an institutional level, there is no anti-Semitism in Labour
  12. I have 700 more examples but whats the fucking point, you probably think I invented it. Pointless argument this.
3232

I never claimed there isn’t a problem at institutional level. This was originally about you claiming Corbyn and Corbynites are behind everything.

Please stop lying about my posts, that’s about the 5th time in less than a day. Do I need to quote all the times I say there’s an issue with anti-Semitism in labour, and quote all the times you reply claiming I’m saying there’s no issue with anti-Semitism in labour?

Thanks.

3233

The Head of Compliance is a Corbynista. The NEC board is populated and controlled by Corbynistas. Compliance is controlled by Corbynistas.

No one of this would exist if not for Corbyn. He brought these people with him. Its his movement.

3234

Right, and your response is another shadowy conspiracy theory.

3235

No, its an example of systematic and institutional racism. None of this existed at a compliance and governance level in July 2015. It was confined to the fringe and backbenches.

3236

You’re turning individual members and a culture that developed into being a shadowy cabal of Corbyn and his core supporters creating institutional anti-Semitism in Labour.

It’s a nonsense conspiracy theory that your posts only serve to discredit.

I see that instead of addressing the fact that you lied about my posts, or addressing that you continuously provide sources and dishonestly paraphrase them, you delve straight back into yet a slightly different take on the shadowy conspiracy.

3237

Hard left control of Labour is such a verified fact that 8 Labour MP’s resigned. Its not a conspiracy theory, its a Labour insider telling you exactly what has happened within the Labour Party over the last 3 years. Are you trying to tell me Corbyn and his leadership team have populated the party with Blairites or their own people?

3238

Where did I say hard left control was a conspiracy theory? How is hard left control relevant to your talk of a Corbyn conspiracy to foster institutional anti-Semitism throughout labour?

Oh right, you’re just lying about my posts and changing the goalposts.

Again.

3239

None of this would happen in an anti-racist party or where compliance and governance functions were controlled by anti-racists. How do you think institutional racism works? The chief police officer publicly issues memos telling disciplinary committees to bury cases and exonerate officers?

3240

Changing the goalposts again I see. You do love your circular tatuological arguments!

3241

If you believe there is an institutional issue in Labour thats grown over 3 years why are you trying to absolve the leadership team of responsibility?

3242

I haven’t. I’ve said the opposite. Why are you yet again doing this?

I’ve been clear and consistent, you’ve been constantly changing your argument and lying about what I’ve said multiple times.

3243

because I’m saying that ultimately, Corbyn and his people are responsible for this, and its done wilfully and with tacit complicity, and its impossible it would have happened if they weren’t.