3444

The votes tonight were not legally binding (just like another vote a couple of years ago I could mention…) so if nothing else happens, we exit with no deal March 29th by automatic operation of law. So to avoid it we still either need to revoke A50, ask nicely for an extension and have it agreed, or agree a deal to leave.

Essentially we’ve thrown ourselves off a cliff, and voted against hitting the ground.

3445

Geez what a mess. Thank you folks.

3446

Now is the time to say cunts.

That’s a great way of putting it.

3447

That is a perfect metaphor, kudos!

3448

Voting for No Deal is Trumpian thinking, wilfully and knowingly inflicting pain, suffering and misery on others. Genuinely evil and malicious.

3449

The EU should grant an extension if and only if there is an agreement to hold a referendum choosing between the negotiated deal and no Brexit. No point in delaying only to face a hard Brexit after a period of uncertainty.

3450

Even worse, it was a motion - so it’s not even binding.

3451

Wait, what?

3452

I’m of the opposite opinion. I think that to frustrate Brexit and defy the result of the referendum is a gross miscarriage of democracy. If no deal can be agreed then the UK should leave with no deal of which the detrimental affects have been grossly misrepresented through a campaign of fear.

3453

Unlike the original campaign that got racists and xenophobes to vote FOR the stupid thing. Right.

3454

I’m curious, Draxen, if you are wrong about this, if the political movement you are part of is wrong about this, what should be the penalty?

Let’s assume the worst case total collapse, eating-dog-in-the-street scenario doesn’t happen but that a significant economic crisis does happen: several percentage point rise in unemployment, loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, several percentage point drop in GDP, drop in stock markets, increased cost of goods, increase in evictions, etc. Let’s say on the level of the 2008 recession, at least short term (which IMO is likely).

If I am right, that’s something to be avoided. If you are wrong, what price will you pay? B/C your country sure as hell will pay if you are wrong. Maybe you personally are willing to take that risk what about all those people who do NOT want to take that risk?

Bottom line, unless you are 100% certain, your position is not IMO a responsible one. And if you are 100%, then I want some of whatever you are smoking b/c that’s the good stuff.

3455

Stay, leave, just get on with the fucking thing, the EU has real issues to deal with and shouldn’t spend more time trying to herd cats.

3456

If the result of a referendum is sacrosanct, then the result of another referendum would be…sacrosanct.

3457

Motions are just expressions of the house’s opinion. It doesn’t really force anything.

3458

It’s not sacrosanct, it was merely an advisory.

There is no downside to revoking Article 50 other than upsetting some really fucking horrible people.

3459

You would think that anyone so sure that Brexit is still the will of the people wouldn’t be so scared about asking them again, now we have a negotiated deal to evaluate…

3460

So much this.

3461

I’m not sure how to answer since there is no penalty. I can say that I would be willing to pay the penalty (if you wish to call it that) of a period of adjustment in order for the UK to achieve full independence from the EU. Everyone who doesn’t want to pay that price has the option to lobby their MPs to support Mays deal.

Absolutely agree.

It’s more a matter of principal than anything else. Why is a 2nd referendum necessary when a decision has already been made. You simply cannot have repeat referendums because you disagree with the result. Otherwise what is the point, why bother voting at all if the result you campaigned for isn’t going to be upheld. Best 2 out of 3?

3462

Not to mention there is something perverse about enacting such a monumental change with such narrow margins.

Constitutional amendments in the US have to clear a much higher bar than 50%+1. Hell passing a damn budget requires more than that.

Brexit is a huge change. And enacting something with such large repercussions on a slim majority, especially since those predominantly feeling said repercussions are the young who broadly voted against it, seems obscene.

3463