Isn’t this a statement about what advocates and opponents were saying? And not about what the government said?
In the USA, are Trump and FOX News the media or the government? They just kind of blur into each other.
draxen
3546
I dunno about anyone else but my understanding was always that the result had been promised to be implemented. Nowhere before or during the campaign was it stated that the referendum was just a “poll”. It was “the decision”.
Even the official Remain documentation states as such:
“A once in a generation decision”
“The referendum is your chance to decide if we should remain in or leave the European Union.”
“This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.”
You lost my vote. Thats the only bit about Brexit I was looking forward to! :)
A UK referendum will only have the force of law if the Act setting it up says so. In practical terms this would mean someone would be able to go to court to make the government implement the result. The Alternative Vote referendum in 2011, for example, was legally binding in this way.
So, purely as a matter of law, neither the government nor Parliament has to do anything about the referendum.
SO, legally, we didn’t and don’t have to implement it.
Politically that’s another question entirely, but this particular argument arose from the claim made by Draxen.
which is demonstrably not true, as has been demonstrated.
draxen
3549
Huh… but I just linked you the documentation where the government states they will implement the result. confused.
Truly consensus is shattered in the UK, you guys can’t even agree on if the referendum had to be implemented or not.
draxen
3552
Answers on a postcard as to what will happen next?
I think a 2nd ref is too extreme a view to get support in Parliament, much like a no deal Brexit. Although I think its chances vastly improve if there is a long delay (years rather than months).
NB: “the peoples vote” monicker is almost as stupid as “the meaningful vote”
It sounds like we’ll see Mays undead deal return next week but that’s also looking unlikely to pass either. I think the manner in which it’s being rammed through Parliament is disgusting. However I guess it remains the best chance to break the deadlock?
Impossible to call.
The only thing I’m absolutely sure of, is that no one will make the politically suicidal (but rational, if one cares about the UK) choice of revoking Article 50.
Beyond that, it’s anyone’s guess. Currently, it doesn’t seem that there is a majority for anything at all in the British parliament. If I were pressed to it, I’d guess that they’ll try to kick the can down the road (delay), but I’m far from certain that the EU will agree. You do need all 27 countries to agree, and it’s obvious that some countries are beginning to lose patience with this farce.
jpinard
3554
Because the remain vote won’t be primarily predicated on lies like the leave vote was. Face it. One side’s entire tactics were based on sleight of hand or outrageous mistruths. The other side did not have Russia bankrolling it’s bots and ads.
I have to ask those of you who want out of the EU. What do you think about the fact you’re doing Russia’s bidding here? You know… that evil country that keeps assassinating people on your sovereign soil? Doesn’t something stink just a little bit when the world’s villain is working so hard to get you to leave the EU?
No idea either if I am honest. I know what I WANT but that’s different.
draxen
3556
If the EU allows a short extension but then (later) vetos a long extension that would allow them to say, we’ve done as much as we can. We gave you an extension but we cannot continue on indefinitely. That would allow May increased leverage to get her deal through whilst also allowing the EU to avoid the political position of “forcing” the UK out.
You think May’s deal (slightly modified) is the most likely outcome?
I genuinely dont know. It feels like there are six or so outcomes all with a fairly low chance of happening right now.
I do think there will be a general election this year somehow but I have no evidence to back that up :)
The idea that having a 2nd referendum is somehow some perversion of democracy (quoth Theresa May):
‘We’re not having a 2nd referendum. The will of the people is clear. You can’t just keep have referendums until you’re happy with the result,’
Is just … weird. How many times are you going to vote on Theresa May’s Brexit deal? Is this the third or fourth time? Surely the will of the people’s representatives is abundantly clear by now.
No idea.
But necessary (certainly not sufficient) is another general election. I do not see how anything can be resolved, in any direction, without one. It will get worse until we again have a government that commands a majority in the commons.
The Christchurch shooter on Brexit.
Were/are you a supporter of Brexit?
Yes, though not for an official policy made. The truth is that eventually people must face the fact that it wasn;t a damn thing to do with the economy.That it was the British people firing back at mass immigration, cultural displacement and globalism, and that;s a great and wonderful thing.
This is the same thing we’ve heard day in day out from the Brexiters. Our US users really need to understand what Brexit represents and who supports it.
Yes, but that government was making promises it couldn’t keep. The refrain for this sorry process…
vyshka
3562
The Channel isn’t enough? There must be a lot of awesome swimmers in the mainland.
Banjax
3563
…debate is always improved with a Douglas Adams quote.
