Therlun
3886
I’m German and I’m quite befuddled by this conversation about Merkel’s refugee decision and the surrounding effects. There is A LOT of misinformation shown in some posts here, some of which people already pointed out and corrected.
From “granting EU citizenship to refugees” over the factual events and their effects to basic numbers the whole thing probably would warrant more than one long response and correction post.
Quite honestly I’m astonished that so much outright false information was accepted and is spread by people who have access to google.
If this weren’t the Brexit thread…
It is the Brexit thread, and since refugees and immigrants were a large part of the issue, I’d say it’s germane.
This is a why a general election will probably not help in any way:
The Prime Minister’s popularity had been holding up fairly well since she lost her majority in 2017.
Talking about an average of about -20% favourable. Now down to -39%. But not to worry, the leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition is at -53%, so it’s all good.
Aceris
3890
So the PM will address the 1922 at 5pm tommorrow.
Some are expecting her to announce her resignation.
Surely she will instead just use this to delay efforts to remove her from within the party for another two days, at which point she will announce “Nothing has changed”. Again.
rho21
3891
I think she’d announce her resignation directly to the cameras, not to the 1922 committee.
If you google you are apt to get quite varying narratives.
I think this is the theme of our times:
information overload and a lack of filters.
Part of me thinks she’ll get the deal through by promising her resignation.
Part of me thinks the perfect end to her tenure would be announcing her resignation to get her party to vote for it and still failing to get it to pass.
Time will tell.
draxen
3897
So is this all just part of a continuing poker game that May has been playing?
She tried threats of no deal, now she’s trying threats of soft brexit/2nd referendum/no brexit.
I think her deal is still dead despite best efforts. So that means:
a) Will she defy Parliament and no deal occurs
b) Will she capitulate and head for long extension - soft brexit/2nd referendum/no brexit
Or option 3, capitulate, but not get extension.
Sadly I dont think she is thinking ahead at all. Her entire government seems just genuinely incompetent.
I got a response about the petition which was nice. Less nice is I now see why so many MP’s are frustrated by this government. So blindly stubborn and dismissive of feedback. Way to piss off voters by dismissing their concerns lets assume 50% of the 5.8 million petition were duplicates or fakes etc, thats still a lot of pissed off people. They probably deserve at least a “we will take on board your feedback thank you” instead of the flat “we are ignoring you” response.
Still I appreciated a reply.
The response is online here.
However in some good news. So far employment is holding, which is great regardless of which side you are on.
I see @playingwithknives posted this last week…
I also signed it last week. I made a copy of the number at the time…
Spooky!
Actually that’s a misapprehension based on the “life expectancy at birth” statistics. They went way up during the late 19th and 20th Centuries mostly because due to better water and sewer systems + vaccines, the early childhood mortality rate dropped like a stone, which greatly improved the statistics. Yes heart bypass surgery, hip replacement and the like have extended elders lives some, but not (as a cohort) by 20 to 30 years.
Heh, chances of that. There’s more chance of successfully navigating an asteroid field.
Its at 5.82m now. Its opposite number, a pro Brexit petition has 147k sigs.
The march on Saturday had an estimate done with some fancy ant counting software.
The last time the ethno-nationalists gathered that many people to march in support of their ideology Leni Riefenstahl was filming it.
You talk about “high rhetoric”, and then follow it up with the statement that she forced policy on every single EU member nation?
BS.
She pushed through legislation in her own nation, which is 100% her right as chancellor of Germany. That is not arrogance, and if you think so… you really, really need to remember what national sovereignty means. Within the EU, she did nothing on this matter to which any reasonable, sound-minded person can object.
I think the odds are slowly but surely shifting to Hard Brexit.
I think she will try to the end to get her deal through. She’ll continue beating that dead horse until the very last moment, stubbornly believing that if she just says “No Deal” enough times, enough MPs will vote aye. And by the time it finally becomes obvious to her that this doesn’t work, it will be too late to stop the process.
A long extension would require an MEP election. The window of opportunity to make that possible has to be running out soon. So, given that a long extension (with the possibility of soft Brexit) is dependent on a paralyzed government acting, the only options will actually soon be a Hard Brexit ,May’s deal, or no Brexit. And I just don’t see May or Parliament having the kind of moral courage that would be required to cancel Brexit.
