Aceris
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Events have moved on since you posted this. Many of the high profile ERG members are now backing the deal I think. Some of the 22 irreconcilables who wrote a letter to the telegraph saying they would never back the deal are backing the deal. There’s 8 more votes from Labour and independents. It’s not there yet, but it’s as close as anything else is.
Anyway, he has openly said he will block a vote even if it is the will of the house that one be held, so I’m not sure what your point is.
One think that was noted in last weeks debate (Anna Soubry I think) is how May and the Brexiteers are driving out of the party the pro business groups who have so long supported it. That feels like a change. Where pro business voters and groups now go is more of an open question.
Aceris
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I think conflating May and the Brexiteers here is a mistake. Business seems pretty relaxed about the WA - it’s May’s incompetence that concerns them.
The ERG on the other hand are absolutely on an ideological crusade and don’t care about the picture for business.
Aye fair clarification.
Tonights ballot fyi (click for full image)
Aceris
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“Moves to create barriers to trade with the EU would force UK companies to strike up deals elsewhere, directly profiting companies backing the emerging markets.”
That sounds like dubious logic to me, and it’s the one line justifying a rather dramatic headline.
There are much stronger cases against JRM than this kind of spun up nonsense.
It seems even worse for those influenced by her offer. “I totally hate your awful plan but I will vote for it if you promise to go away” hardly sounds like responsible representation.
I am on the opposite side to the DUP in most things but I must say I respect the fact they have been consistent during this entire process. They are not going to vote for May’s deal the third time of asking which means it cant pass unless there are many more defections to May’s deal.
My problem with the DUP is the extent to which they are detached from reality. There is no deal absent some kind of backstop. It’s fine to object to that deal, but there is no other deal. If you’re going to Brexit and maintain the GFA, you’re going to have some mechanism to keep an open border, and that’s the backstop.
The referendum was offered by Cameron as a means to stop the Tory party infighting, and here we are on the brink of something that will cripple the country for generations and it will ultimately boil down to Tory infighting. Wilful negligence by the powers that be.
Its all going badly for remain so far.
Confirmatory vote voted down.
All indicative votes have been voted down. Including the two pro Brexit ones.
What does this mean? No idea.
They voted against everything. It’s what they have been doing all along.
Edit: Customs Union came closest, losing by only 8 votes.
Ken Clarke’s - Customs union and M - Dame Margaret Beckett’s - Confirmatory public vote seem like they were by far the closest. Why aren’t they now being followed up on? I thought that was the point?
Bercow explains peoples vote and other items just voted down can be voted on again because it was a separate process than normal business.
Does anyone know if the Customs Union plan obviates the need for a backstop? I think ‘no’, but I don’t really know what that proposal entails.
Anna Soubry patronizing the Conservatives here , amusing to watch.
aeneas
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M - Dame Margaret Beckett’s - Confirmatory public vote
Drawn up by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson and tabled by former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett with the backing of scores of MPs across the House, this motion would require a public vote to confirm any Brexit deal passed by parliament before its ratification.
For: 268
Against: 295
So does this mean no to a second referendum?
It means there are still more clowns in the car.
