I don’t really know where this if everyone hates me then I must be right idea came from, but it’s surely nonsense as a rule.
Everyone? You think her haters represent “everyone”?
No, just either end of the horseshoe. People who aren’t hard left anti-Semite cranks or far right anti-feminists/gamergaters/MRAs love her. Hence her popularity in her constituency, celebrity bake off and other normie things. If the Stalinists and fascists hate you then you are doing something right.
Here’s another reason why she’s awseome and all the wrong types of people hate her. She is prepared to stand against the anti-LGBT protests happening outside certain schools at the moment. Unlike some of anti-LGBT cultural relativism coming from the Tories and other Labour MPs
An MP who is prepared to stand up for minorities and maintain her values and do the right thing. One who isn’t prepared to sell the Jews or LGBTs/Muslim LGBTs down the river to win votes. An MP with principles. Jess and a handful of others represent the final bastion of progressive centrism that saw me join Labour. It will be a sorry day when Corbyns scum deselect her but I’m afraid she’s doomed in the current Labour. No doubt she will be replaced by some Islamist loon or a former Communist Party apparatchik.
The BoJo case has predictably been thrown out.
spiffy
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dangit. Exposure to a definitive, “yes the Leave campaign lied”, even if Boris weasels out of it personally, would have helped the cause.
And there’s the lesson to any remainer who believed Labour’s post EU election statements on a second referendum last week
Though not as bad as the U.S. Britain sure is turning into a very intolerant place:
What the hell is wrong with people?
Well look at the positive.
Once upon a time, and not that long ago, there wouldn’t have even been any arrests.
because homophobia is normalised by the systems and institutions
We have Brexit Party electing people who insist gays can be cured by science and their leadership supporting their bigotry.
The former leader of the LibDems
https://www.markpack.org.uk/153768/tim-farron-says-regrets-saying-gay-sex-not-sin/
and Labour Party MP’s supporting anti-LGBT protesters.
Its across the spectrum and at the highest levels of politics and governance.
KevinC
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Caveat that it’s a monthly figure and thus pretty volatile.
Excellent summary from Rafael Behr
draxen
4799
I thought it was a crap summary. The reasons for Leave and Remain were known in 2016 and have not changed.
Leave: Sovereignty, immigration, trade freedom
Remain: Economy, we love EU
Is anyone else tired of the Brexit argument yet?
I wish the bloody Tories would stop naval gazing and get on with the damn thing. May was foolish to agree to an extension. Having European elections was a travesty. Lets just leave already, jeeeeez.
Yeah, like the Brexit Party’s “single issue”, which is either “sending Sikhs home”, “curing gays” or “too many Pakistanis living in a house”
Yes.
Tired of lies and bullshit and pigheadedness, and would like a grown up to run the country.
magnet
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Something something NHS! Something something We hold all the cards!
draxen
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That’s bullshit too. The Brexit Party single issue is to leave Brexit on WTO terms and renegotiate a deal. (Although to be fair, I’m no fan of Farage - I think he’s a crook).
I believe you suffer from some kind of paranoid delusion where you view every man and his dog as some kind of closet racist/homophobe. Your politics/activism is as hate filled as the far right.
bullshit
Every time Brexiters organise themselves and appear in public they out themselves as utterly racist, homophobic shits. On camera.
So guess how much I give a fuck about upsetting any of them. What are they going to do? Vote to send me home? Join a far right wing party full of Nazis? Cure gays? become incels?
paranoid
Nice try at gaslighting, but you choose to champion these scum, so you can deal with people not prepared to tolerate the rise of ethno-nationalism, bigotry, hate and prejudice.
Oh, and as Peterborough clearly showed “every man and his dog” didnt support or vote for those neofascist vermin in the BXP, so stop making out the common consensus lies with those scum.
And with good reason, IMHO. A common currency without full fiscal taxing and spending integration is a recipe for disaster. If the US Dollar existed in a situation where we didn’t have the US Congress to spread the money around as needed, how long would states like West Virginia and Mississippi last?
But there are fiscal transfers between member states in the EU, aren’t there?
Not formally no, and relatively few informal ones. There are “structural funds” , but they’re explicitly not about fiscal policy.
Sharpe
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I don’t know enough about UK politics to get down in the weeds of the “why people voted for Brexit” debate but one thing is crystal fucking clear, like beyond any doubt at all: THERE WAS NO MAJORITY FOR ANY SPECIFIC POLICY.
The referendum was so vague it would have been considered unconstitutional here in CA. And the reasons given for Brexit varied wildly both between and within the various pro-Brexit parties, and between and within the various pro-Brexit groups and commentators.
The reality is, some voters voted for a no-deal Brexit. How many? I have no idea but it’s a fraction of the 52% Brexit vote so clearly not a majority. Some voted for some kind of negotiated semi/soft/not-too-hard Brexit. How many? Again, a fraction of 52%. Some voted for fantasy scenarios that are not possible. How many, again a fraction of 52%.
So, no matter how you slice it, there was no majority for any specific policy. Given the vast amount of new info that has come out, the experience of the negotiations, etc. etc., it’s just completely moronic to proceed as if there were a majority for any specific policy, including no-deal Brexit.
The referendum was flawed and vague. The implementation following the referendum was flawed and ineffectual. The political situation has changed several times.
From a big picture view, any solution other than either cancelling Brexit or re-voting on actual specific proposals is pure idiocy.
It may well be that the UK just “gets on with it” and does a no-deal Brexit. If so, the leadership of the UK is going to be shocked! shocked! when they realize that a sizeable majority of the UK populace wanted something other than what they just delivered.
It’s like political suicide by inertia.
