It’s not anti-racists that put a PM into power who calls Muslim women letterboxes and black people “picaninies with watermelon smiles” it is in fact, millions of racist c***ts that puts a racist into Downing Street. Millions and millions of the c***s. A nation full of them. If you want to read that as 66m you can do but it’s clear to anyone else that I didn’t include the victims of these c***ts, nor their anti-racist allies.
I utterly reject the premise that Boris Johnson is no ones fault, and no one’s responsibility.
Classic strawman.
92,153 conservative party members put Boris in power.
The nation’s population is 66 million. Therefore when one refers to the nation, they refer to the 66 million, or a large number therein.
So now you are directly contradicting yourself and proving my point.
Assuming, which is an erroneous assumption but I’ll use it for the sake of argument, that every single Leave voter was or is somehow a racist cunt, that leaves just under half the population as a “victim” (I refer to remainers)
Or rather, half the people who voted.
No comment on the numbers who didn’t vote, and not counting the numerous children etc who couldn’t vote, and who now can in a general election.
So, any way you look at it, calling this a nation of racist cunts is not only offensive (my poor feelings!) but also inaccurate, and makes you look like an idiot.
Not to mention the very real possibility (dare I say by now a dead certainty) that large numbers of leavers didn’t see this as a racist issue, but as any of the other numerous anti-EU rubbish that was peddled, or as an anti establishment vote.
Anti-racists didn’t put a racist into Downing Street.
Anti-racists didn’t put a white supremacist into the White House.
Huge, far/hard right wing, ethno-nationalist, populist movements did. It wasn’t a handful of bad apples that see both the US and UK where they are today.
Nice gliding past my point, which was that a handful of conservative party members is not “millions,” and is not representative of the country and, by that count alone, your statement that this is a country fo racist cunts is inaccurate.
Anyway, I see we’re going to go through the circle of me pointing out errors in your statements and you gliding past them to state things like
which noone is disputing, and have nothing to do with the objections I raised.
So, you have “won” because I am moving onto other things, like this:
which I thought interesting.
yes, it’s the Guardian, described upthread as
but I think the article raises some good points.
I think it punctures the one argument for leave (preferential trade deals and not having to go through reams of bureaucracy to get them done) that I could almost see myself agreeing with, because the whole sovereignty thing struck me as a lot of hot air etc, as I have said elsewhere.
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By the same token we shouldn’t refer to “Nazi Germany”, because some of them were not Nazis.
except it’s a historical convention to refer to the period of time, with clear dates, when the country was run by the Nazis, and not an assertion that the country was itself full of Nazis.
Is the party in charge currently named the racist party?
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I don’t think an eponym needs to be named for a party.
For instance Israel is referred to as a Jewish state even though not everyone is Jewish and there is no Jewish Party. It simply means that Israel is generally supported by and explicitly serves the interests of Jewish people. Whether it achieves 51% support after taking into account non-voters and children is beside the point.
Seems apropos to the UK.
Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.
That word is “Nazi.” Nobody cares about their motives anymore.
They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?
What am I saying here? Am I saying we are Nazis? The answer, I suppose, has to be ‘no.’ Only Nazis are Nazis. We are Americans. But what that will mean in decades to come—‘American’—has been thrown into hazard. We used to be the sort of place that doesn’t allow Donald Trumps to happen. That’s gone now, along with that specific sort of trust the world once had in us. In any case, what we seem to now be trying to redefine ‘American’ to mean seems like a rough beast, and omnivorous.
Democracy reveals us by our choices and our actions, not our intentions. We are what we are.
And Donald Trump will be president.
Again because Jewish is an adjective relating in this case to nationality.
Like calling Britain a British state.
Or the USA an American state.
And has little or nothing to do with my complaint, which was that Boris Johnson being voted in by the conservative party membership doesn’t mean Britain is now a nation of racist cunts.
@MrGrumpy is that article intended for me?
If so, at what point have I tried to excuse Nazism?
Would you object to saying that Germany in 1943 was full of Nazis? It strikes me as a statement of fact.
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Would you consider South Africa in the 70s and 80s to be a nation of racists? It was, because the racists were in charge. Even though the vast majority of South Africans were not racist.
Exactly. When I say, “My old workplace was full of assholes” it does not mean that everyone who worked there including me was an asshole. It simply means there were too many assholes.
Likewise “South Africa used to be full of racists” simply means that there used to be way too many racists.
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It was described as a racist state, not a racist nation. It’s a very elementary distinction and it’s rather disappointing that it seems completely beyond you.
Go have a quick search of Google scholar or contemporary news articles, they’ll confirm that you’re wrong and misunderstanding both words.
No. Just an observation on what I believe is afflicting both our countries.
State is often an ambiguous word and requires careful usage if you are going to take people to task over its meaning. The state in a certain context is specifically the government of the nation. But state is often used as a simple synonym for nation or country.
The US, for example, can be argued to be a racist state in both senses, because on the one hand many if not most people in government are racists, and on the other institutional racism is pervasively enshrined in society even if only a minority of the population are avowed or obvious racists.
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Oh come on.
Here is how Chief Justice Earl Warren described Nazi Germany:
the primary enemy of the Allies, Nazi Germany, was perhaps the most conspicuously and brutally racist nation in the history of the world
Not “racist state”. Not “nation of people of whom less than 50% voted for Nazis, plus German children were never polled”.
He used “racist nation” because that’s what Nazi Germany was. Regardless of who felt hurt by the accusation.
Anyway, back to current events maybe?
This is quite the purge. There’s no compromise here: it’s Johnson loyalists and pro-Brexit all the way. This looks more like gearing up (or precipitating) a GE than trying to win support across Parliament.
Patel back in the cabinet is a disgrace. She was fired from her previous cabinet position for running a back-channel diplomatic operation without the PM’s consent, via a lobbyist. Now she’s Home Secretary.
Raab in Foreign Office is a close second on the insanity meter.
She is a HUGE proponent of the death penalty, absolutely mad for it.
Its an unmitigated disaster this evil piece of shit is in this position. Everything about this is utterly humiliating for the UK, for civilisation, for human rights and basic decency. The scum who brought this about must never be forgiven.
I wonder if Johnson realises that like Thatcher, he will never be given the decency of a urinal grave accessible by the public. Nope, a plaque locked away in Chelsea hospital awaits that weevil when he does the right thing and drops dead. I expect Thatcher’s memorial has even been spat on a few times, the hate that millions hold for her holds no bounds.
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It’s all looking good to me. I enjoyed Boris’s speech and I’m happy to see Leave supporters being placed in key positions. A positive start but let’s see what happens when we start approaching the Brexit deadline…
