And if the Brexit vote had been on those terms, that the UK due to historical reasons yadda yadda doesn’t feel like it can be just another voice in the room and needs to be THE voice, so, it’ll need to make it’s own way independent of the group, to be THE voice or realize it can only be A voice now, sure.
It wasn’t. It was “they need us more than we need them, and we can keep all that we like and ignore the rest”. Guess what? Nope.
Not that we can’t turn the same Special Snowflake reasoning to most other countries of Europe, most countries think themselves Great and Special, maybe diminished at the moment, but past glories have weight and importance (they don’t)…
Europeans though are pikers when it comes to exceptionalism. The USA wins that contest hands down.
Post Empire Stress Disorder.
strategy
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So much this. I mean, anyone who claims this has clearly never actually spoken with a Frenchman about history/culture.
Heh yeah, there’s a bunch of laws that impose Frenchiness on to language, food and culture.
and they managed this without destroying the economy and killing Down Syndrome kids who have cancer.
Yes, I think a different Labour leader would. A different Labour leader would have a shot at disillusioned Tory voters, too. As it stands, I expect a lot of them to simply abstain.
And I doubt it. I think people like Jo Swinson are using Corbyn as a bogeyman to resist the call for an anti-conservative electoral coalition precisely because Swinson is, at heart, a moderate conservative. That fact doesn’t change if Labour has another leader, and without the agreement of Swinson and the leaders of the other parties, there isn’t any coalition election.
Man, as a Clinton supporter in 2016 this sounds all too familiar.
That’s a deeply confused article. 60% of the constituency voted to leave, and many those leave voters now support the Brexit party because they are leave voters, and yet Labour still commands a majority, so a fan of Tony effing Blair says that’s Corbyn’s fault. That’s…some analysis, that is.
jpinard
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Yep. Except she would have been a fantastic president.
I totally agree but the way she was demonized gave rise to the same sort of apathy which led to the Evil Orange One.
jpinard
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Yes, absolutely. It is sad how stupid people became in this country.
Moderate conservatives (lower case) have been popular in the UK for some time. It’s only since Brexit things have got weird. I’d love some conservative policy making right now! All this radical change at pace is not much fun.
I’m not entirely convinced a Corbyn government would be terribly radical - the last manifesto was very tame. But a great many people, both supporters and detractors, are convinced it would be. And that’s what puts people off.
That the Lib Dem leadership doesn’t want to make any agreement with any other party is probably due to how the last time they made an agreement it was incredibly toxic. I don’t think they’ll do that again in a hurry, with anyone.
geggis
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Oh, that’s a great summary, thanks for sharing. (And I loved Dougan’s talk on the run up to the referendum too. I shared that a lot.)
What Brexiters do in their spare time.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/rnli-overseas_uk_5d7e3062e4b077dcbd5fdc24
Campaign against our Lifeboat Charity because they spend 2% of their donations on saving lives of brown and black children.
The madder Hulk gets, the more he bottles it and runs away!
Complete with empty handshake!
Caption should be Boris Johnson introduces his new Brexit deal proposal.
The British government is really in a race to the bottom of respectability, isn’t it? I feel really, really sorry and ashamed for the UK right now. No matter what people voted for, nobody deserves a PM like this representing them. May was exemplary in contrast to this.
This is not the proud English seeking independence from the EU, this is a government running away from a handful of protesters to avoid facing harsh questions. It is also an insult to Luxembourg…
