Or how much opposition will vanish out of fear of no deal, or no Brexit at all?
Still, this was all May’s strategy too. And that didn’t work. So as you say, maybe we’ll find out.
The breakthrough solution Sullivan describes is the one the EU started with: Northern Ireland remains in the Customs Union and the Customs border is between NI and the rest of the UK. So what Sullivan means by ‘close to a deal’ is ‘Boris caves and accepts the EU’s solution, one that May said no UK PM could ever agree to’.
*blinks rapidly at this quote*
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That’s “I’m not married to it” badly translated, probably several times.
It’s worth viewing all UK reports of the EU’s attitude and behaviour in this light. Look at the reporting of Merkel’s ‘31 days to solve Brexit’ thing - all just a mistranslation.
Sounds worse than that. Lots of journalists now suggesting the below.
The Brexit Tories are insane.
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What does this even mean?
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It means that Johnson’s proposal only addresses a small part of the problem, basically the agricultural disease checks that occur at most borders. It does not address tariffs or regulations, and it isn’t even legally binding. So it’s not enough for the EU.
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Anytime media starts breathlessly reporting that the UK and the EU are close to striking a deal in any way which sounds even remotely like a “win” for the UK, it’s best to assume that:
- They don’t know what they’re talking about (e.g., because they’ve mistranslated, are over-interpreting, or just don’t have a clue), or
- They’re just outright parroting government propaganda.
This has been true every single time during the past 2+ years - there’s no reason to expect this will change anytime soon.
The EU has been clear on it’s red lines throughout this period and there’s (surprisingly perhaps) never been a moment when support for its negotiators has wavered. There’s no reason to assume that it’ll waver now.
The hard left continue to make Labour as unpalatable as they try to purge Tom Watson, one of the few MPs left keeping centrists around from the his position and the keystone in the fragile, crumbling alliance between normal politics and hard left lunacy…
and they do it in their usual, sneaky, underhand way, causing the most chaos and disruption at the worst possible time
It looks like we have to rely on some of the older statesmen of the party to try and keep it together.
Of course this was going to happen. Watson and the rest of Labours centrists were fools to stay in the party once the governance and compliance structures were taken over by SWP/CPGB/Militant/SP and the rest of the other entryist party members. We have been screaming at them to split the party for 3 years. They believed they could win it back, despite it being administratively and bureaucratically impossible now. I wouldnt trust a single thing out of the Leaders Office or Corbyns faction about wanting party unity. They lie as often as Brexiters. I guess people arent familiar with revolutionary socialists and don’t understand they don’t play by the rules.
Oh, whilst I was typing that up. Lansman withdrew the motion.
To late Jon, the party had actually stopped infighting for a few months to focus on Johnson and Brexit and now its back to normal again. Fucking idiots.
Even diehard Corbynistas are wondering whats going on.
Here’s the thing Clive. They were lying their teeth off about centralised management and top down control. Have the hard left ever been democratic ever? Of course not. Centralised command and control is how its done in the hard left, and hows it always been done.
Can you imagine if the Democrats response to Trump was to engage in a 3 year war against Democrats and focus all the energy, from HQ to local branches of purging the party of the Democrats who supported Obama and Clinton?
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I’m not anti-Corbyn by any means, but this is really insane time and place to attempt a leadership purge. As Miliband says, whoever came up with that idea has taken leave of their senses.
At the end of the day, that’s going to be the real story of Brexit - politicians putting the fight for personal power over concern for their nation. It’s what started Brexit, and it seems to be what will doom the resistance against it.
Everyone has their own bugbear, but it isn’t always so tedious.
Please provide examples proving me wrong, since you seem to be the expert on SWP, CPGB, Militant, SP and the rest of the Left Unity parties. Perhaps you can start with the history of the British Communists and the 40-50 parties that exist(ed) due to historical purges and splits.
This is a pretty good attempt to overcome the basic problem that Labour’s membership are split on Brexit. “We’ll negotiate an actual deal and the let the public decide whether to exit or not on those terms.”
That would have been brilliant 3 years ago. As their MPs said, this is just pushing it down the road and allowing No Deal to happen. The voters that would have voted for this and them in the last few years have been whittled down, The Jews/anti-racists have left Labour/abstained, or are Remainers and have gone to the LDs, the racists/Brexiters to Tories and BXP. All thats left are Corbyn and his cult.
Rant, rant, rant. Boring.
