Repeatedly unequivocally condemning people is a strange way of advocating for them. I am not trying to excuse Johnsons behaviour because it does not admit of an excuse. What I would like is for people to realise that maybe it’s part of a wider malaise that we can try to fix.

For three years I’ve been dealing with a torrent of hatred on social media towards any view that can vaguely be associated with the right. I’ve always opposed it. I’ve always opposed Farage’s hate speech too - which is much, much worse (though I see a lot less of that, purely as a result of my social circles).

It’s not whataboutism because I’m not trying to discredit the position that Boris Johnson is contemptible and his language inflammatory. I agree with that position. Just because other people do it doesn’t make it ok for him. What this does is opens everyone’s eyes to how bad things are getting. We all need to tone it down a bit. Plenty of people - Brendan Cox and Gaby Hinsliff most notable on the left amongst them that I’ve seen, have made the same point.

I’m sure @Aceris can and will stand up for him/herself, but that’s unfair, I think. I’ve seen no evidence @Aceris is doing anything other than calling out the same unsavoury behaviour you yourself have pointed out, time and time again, in the Labour party. That Johnson is being a particularly nasty piece of work right now doesn’t mean we should let that stuff slide (and as I mentioned above, some on the Labour front bench have clearly realised they need to tone down their own rhetoric, too).

I assume the remainers hate you, and people like you.

That makes any discussion impossible.

The BBCs current affairs and news functions are clearly pro-Brexit, and influence from No.10 is noticeable. This has now entered the stage of systematic and instutionalised racism on quite an extraordinary level.

I dont believe a complaint against her has come from anything other than top down from the Brexiters/Trump supporters in power.

Racism is not a legitimate standpoint. The BBC does not have to present both a racist and an anti-racist view.

  • Racism is not a valid opinion on which an “impartial” stance can or should be maintained;

  • For communities and individuals who experience racist abuse – including Munchetty – being expected to treat racist ideas as potentially valid has devastating and maybe illegal consequences for our dignity and ability to work in a professional environment, as well as being contrary to race equality and human rights legislation;

  • To suggest a journalist can “talk about her own experiences of racism” while withholding a critique on the author of racism (in this case President Trump) has the ludicrous implication that such racism may be legitimate and should be contemplated as such

Systematically enforcing “racism as a legitimate opinion” is the result of the shift to ethno-nationalism and racial discrimination at government level and throughout society. This is also about legitimising and normalising the values of millions of racist Britons.

Similar applies to the BBC’s policies enforcing climate change denial and anti-vaccine “balance”, its a sorry state of affairs that only exists because of climate change deniers and antivax people in positions of power but this naked shift towards legitimising racism at the state broadcaster is clearly a sign of where the UK is going with a far right, ultranationalist government and racist movement in power.

We’re in Germany in the 30s. The attacks on the judiciary, the hatemongering propaganda, the language of violence and threats, the threats of mob violence. Its textbook fascism.

That verdict from the BBC ECU is horrifying.

Another glimpse of the Tory party here.

Edit: Let’s see who can convict our prime minister/president first :)

For the first time in 35 years I am not packing my bag to travel to the Tory party conference tomorrow. The party I joined as a student and first campaigned for in the 1979 general election is suffering a convulsion that makes it — for now at least — unrecognisable to me. Gone is the relaxed, broad-church coalition, united by a belief in free-trade, open markets, fiscal discipline and a fear of the pernicious effects of socialism, but tolerant of a wide range of social and political opinion within its ranks. In its place is an ideological puritanism that brooks no dissent and is more and more strident in its tone.

Boris Johnson asserts, ever more boldly, that we will leave the EU on October 31, “with or without a deal”. But as his sister has reminded us, he is backed by speculators who have bet billions on a hard Brexit — and there is only one outcome that works for them: a crash-out no-deal Brexit that sends the currency tumbling and inflation soaring. So they, at least, will be reassured to see no evidence at all that his government has seriously pursued a deliverable deal; still less that it has been pursuing a deal that could get us out by October 31. The time available means that the only deal with any prospect of delivering that outcome is the deal that they have already rejected and that many of them have voted against.

So let me make an equally stark prediction: we will not be leaving the EU on October 31. And the responsibility for that outcome, like the responsibility for the failure to leave on March 29, lies squarely on the shoulders of those who have rejected the deal that has been on the table for almost a year. The law requires the government to seek an extension if there is no deal by the time of the European Council on October 17-18, and we now know that the Supreme Court will ensure that the government obeys the law.

The radicals advising Boris do not want a deal. Like the Marxists on the Labour left, they see the shock of a disruptive no-deal Brexit as a chance to re-order our economy and society. But I detect no appetite among our electorate for such a project. That is manifestly not the will of the people.

So, is this a counsel of despair? Not at all! We can resolve this crisis — but only via compromise; through a deal which delivers everybody something, but nobody everything. So that, after Brexit, this country can come together to have a brighter future.

Such a deal can be done and must be done. Boris Johnson promised he could get a deal, and he must deliver on that promise before a general election. To fulfil that he will have to accept the inevitability of the Article 50 extension — and then use the time parliament has forced upon him wisely; get rid of the ideologues who seek only the purity of a no-deal Brexit; reconstruct the negotiating team he recklessly disbanded and re-engage the civil servants and diplomats who actually understand this process and will battle tirelessly in Britain’s interest if allowed to do so.

And moderate his language and his demeanour — compromise requires reaching out, not slapping down.

Then a deal can be negotiated over the months of the extension that will take Britain out of the EU with a “smooth and orderly exit” and protect our economy through a “close and special partnership”, both of which we promised in our 2017 election manifesto — and both of which I and my former Conservative colleagues ardently wish for (despite mendacious briefing to the contrary).

When the Conservative Party has delivered an orderly Brexit it will recover its reputation for competent economic management and sound public finances — and then come to its collective senses and reconfirm its mission as a broad-based, centre-right party with wide appeal across the electorate.

I know that we can do it. Indeed, I am already looking forward to packing my bag for Birmingham in October 2020.

Philip Hammond was chancellor of the exchequer from 2016-19

The titanic struggle over whether Johnson can or will deliver Brexit on October 31 and whether he can survive as PM looks set to reach its climax by end of next week.

Either Hammond knows something we don’t, or he has also fallen for a clickbait headline.

Hammond: Like the Marxists on the Labour left, they see the shock of a disruptive no-deal Brexit as a chance to re-order our economy and society.

Put another way: These people who are demonstrably trying to force a no-deal Brexit are exactly like these other people who are trying to stop a no-deal Brexit.

Pfui.

This makes no sense at all. Why would he think BJ would be in any way interested in doing this - especially if it is true as his sister said that he might be backed by Brexit speculators? If the conspiracy theory he mentions is in fact true, then it stands to reason that BJ is never going to deliver a deal, lest he suffer the consequences.

This reads like a very British version of the furrowed brows.

That’s not true. Much of the Labour Party is trying to stop a no deal Brexit but there’s certainly a rump on the far left who would like to see us crash out.

They used to be a fringe but thanks to Magic Grandad not so much of a fringe any more. They see the EU as right based coalition restricting good socialist practices. They also see crashing out as way of shaking it up enough so they can establish a new socialist utopia. If think MG falls into this camp.

The real place to see it though is the unholy alliance in Brexit party which has many (ex)members of the Revolutionary Communist Party, and writing for to Spiked, who are looking for the same thing. It’s interesting to see Andrew Doyle (comedian, writer for Spiked & co writer for Jonathan Pie) pushing the Brexit Party line whie Anne Widdecombe tells him his sexuality could be cured by science.

Wasn’t there also another case with a pretty blonde that had zero qualifications getting $100 million for “Middle East” technology development, and Boris was instrumental in her getting that money?

The fraud around the Garden Bridge involved Boris and his m8s making millions too. He’s utterly corrupt.

Burn the granaries down so the peasants starve and revolt. No democratic socialist would inflict pain and suffering from Brexit to gain power, but Corbyn and his faction were never democratic socialists were they.

This is amazing if true, that the PM of the UK is being driven by forces that literally want to destroy the UK economy.

I suppose the distinction I’d make is that rump isn’t leading the party, as it is on the Tory side. Apparently there are many more Tories who want to burn everything down, or Johnson would not be the PM and he would not be surrounded by world-burners.

Also widely debunked by the FT + Full Fact.

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2019/09/12/1568281802000/No-deal-Brexit-is-not-a-hedge-fund-conspiracy/

That’s not actually debunking the claim though.

That’s debunking a separate claim, that there was a large spike in short positions.