Bercow says no to bringing the motion back. Looks like we have a WAB vote tomorrow.
Which motion was disallowed? I struggling to follow all this. And the WAB is Boris’s withdrawal agreement, right?
draxen
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Join the club :)
I’ve been following events closely and I’m struggling to keep up too.
As far as I know Boris’s deal requires an MV (so called Meaningful Vote) this allows Parliament to have their say on the deal. It also requires legislation, the law, also known as the WAB (Withdrawal Agreement Bill). Parliament voted on Saturday to pass the Letwin Amendment that stated the MV can only go ahead once the WAB has been agreed.
The Government tried to get another MV today (essentially a do-over of Sat) but Bercow says “No!” (which was expected). So now they’ll put forward the WAB for debate tomorrow.
Confusing… yes!
MikeJ
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So the worry is that the MW could trigger Brexit and then the WAB could fail, leading to a “hard” Brexit? Is this a scenario Boris wants to happen?
draxen
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The worry was that Parliament could agree the MV (Meaningful Vote) and that would fulfill the requirements of the Benn Act. The Benn Act required Boris to request an extension from the EU if an MV hadn’t been passed by the 19th Oct. Remainers feared that Boris/ERG could then torpedo the WAB (or if it failed for any other reason) and we would have crashed out with no deal.
EDIT:
I can only speculate…
I think Boris would prefer to leave with a deal but the hard line elements of the ERG would prefer no deal. I don’t think either Boris or the ERG had any plans to torpedo the WAB but it’s impossible to know for sure. Trust has long since been abandoned hence the Letwin Amendment.
It also delays Brexit. Delay, frustrate, revoke is the aim of the Remain faction. So any delay benefits them.
I think Boris has no preference either way. His view of the whole matter is about what is good for him politically, not about the merits of one approach vs. another. He doesn’t care about Brexit per se, much less what sort of Brexit. He’s just riding the runaway horse, spurring it on and hoping it takes him to a good place.
draxen
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It’s entirely possible. I’m not convinced it’s that clear cut though.
Regardless, a deal is better than no deal for both the country and for Boris’s own ambitions. So in this instance I think both match up anyway.
No Deal is hammering a nail into each testicle, Boris deal is hammering a nail into just one.
There’s no “better for the country” about it. Both are worse than remaining.
draxen
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Here’s the schedule. I don’t see how they can get it through in 3 days but they’re gonna try.
It’s over a hundred pages long! The explanatory notes are even longer! Giving Parliament only three days to debate it is not a good thing.
I wonder if the Commons will go along with the timetabling.
but if anything is a warcry for the Quitlers it’s “tl;dr”
and they demand that of their opponents too
A prelude for the next two years of Brexit:
This is a pretty spectacular fuck you response to what seems a perfectly reasonable question.
These people — Boris, Mogg, etc — are very obviously bad people. They are obnoxious, tendentious, abusive, etc. Is it that this obvious fact is somehow invisible to their supporters, or do their supporters ignore their bad means to reach what they think is a good end, or do they actively cheer on the consistent nastiness of these people?
No clue; UK politics are as opaque as the US tax code to me. But, over here, we have a similar phenomenon in regards Trump and his supporters. Here, one of the things seems to be that it’s pretty much irrelevant to Trump supporters what Trump does. It’s the simple fact that he’s not one of “them,” a Democrat, liberal, social justice warrior, non-white, fill in the blank etc., that matters. That, and that what he does enrages “them.”
Trump is the madness of the man; Brexit the madness of the thing.
draxen
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Important vote tonight on the WAB timetable. Should be around 7:30pm.
If the Government loses it looks like they’ll pull the bill and push for an election.
EDIT: Current predictions are that the gvt. are going to lose by 1 vote. It’s going to be another close one.
