Yeah, I’m not committed on what the age for either should be, but I can’t see how you can be old enough to serve but not vote.
I am hoping the lib Dems can gain some decent support and we never get to see the Johnsons and Corbyns of this fine land leading major political parties again. I also hope I get my postal voting slip in plenty of time prior to the deadline, unlike what happened during the referendum.
16 year olds were able to vote in the last Scottish independence referendum.
but oddly enough you can’t smoke at 16 any more.
And given how little people really engage in politics, and the general level of political ignorance, I don’t see it getting any worse by letting 16 year olds vote.
Ideally no-one would be able to vote without a citizenship test but that’ll never happen.
Just to be clear, you can join the armed forces but their policy is to never send under 18s into an operational theatre, so bar an accident in the UK*, you can’t die for your country.
- statistically speaking soldiers are more likely to die in traffic accidents than in combat, including if you are infantry on an operational deployment.
Was NI an “operational theatre”?
That’s a good question and I really don’t know.
The list of MP’s quitting politics is growing by the hour.
A mix of retirements, the purged and rebels, but noticeably many are in the “I cant handle the endless abuse and being hated” category, and many are in the “I’d rather quit than work with Johnson/Corbyn” category too. Including Johnsons brother of course.
Conservative
- Richard Benyon - MP for Newbury
- John Bercow - MP for Buckingham and Commons speaker
- Alastair Burt - MP for North East Bedfordshire and former Foreign Office minister
- Glyn Davies - MP for Montgomeryshire
- Mims Davies - MP for Eastleigh
- Michael Fallon - MP for Sevenoaks and former defence secretary
- Richard Harrington - MP for Watford
- Nick Hurd - MP for Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner and Northern Ireland minister
- Jo Johnson - MP for Orpington and universities minister. Brother of Boris Johnson
- Jeremy Lefroy - MP for Stafford
- Sir Patrick McLoughlin - MP for Derbyshire Dales
- Claire Perry - MP for Devizes
- Mark Prisk - MP for Hertford & Stortford
- Amber Rudd - MP for Hastings and Rye and former work and pensions secretary, home secretary and energy secretary
- Keith Simpson - MP for Broadland
- Sir Nicholas Soames - MP for Mid Sussex. Grandson of Winston Churchill, former defence minister and shadow defence secretary
- Caroline Spelman - MP for Meriden and former environment secretary
- David Tredinnick - MP for Boswort
- Mark Field - MP for Cities of London and Westminster
Labour
- Kevin Barron - MP for Rother Valley
- Ronnie Campbell - MP for Blyth Valley
- Gloria De Piero - MP for Ashfield and shadow justice minister
- Jim Fitzpatrick - MP for Poplar and Limehouse
- Kate Hoey - MP for Vauxhall
- John Mann - MP for Bassetlaw
- Albert Owen - MP for Ynys Mon
- Teresa Pearce - MP for Erith and Thamesmead and ex-shadow housing minister
- Stephen Pound - MP for Ealing North
- Geoffrey Robinson - MP for Coventry North West
- Owen Smith - MP for Pontypridd
- Stephen Twigg - MP for Liverpool West Derby
Lib Dem
- Heidi Allen - MP for South Cambridgeshire
- Vince Cable - MP for Twickenham and former leader of the Lib Dems
- Norman Lamb - North Norfolk
Independents
- Guto Bebb - MP for Aberconwy and former defence minister
- Nick Boles - Grantham
- Kenneth Clarke - MP for Rushcliffe since 1970. Former chancellor, home secretary, justice secretary, health secretary and education secretary and the Father of the House
- Justine Greening - MP for Putney and former education secretary
- Oliver Letwin - MP for West Dorset and ex-Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
- Rory Stewart - MP for Penrith and The Border and former international development secretary. Standing for mayor of London
Change UK
- Joan Ryan, MP for Enfield North
and this is just the type of anti-democratic behaviour I would expect from a far right and hard left party who both know the electorate lies in the centre. I have no interest in watching a far right, racist, fascist Brexiter debate with far left, anti-Semitic anti-imperialist Lexiter.
edit: Any One Nation Tories left? The party is entirely a far right nationalist party now.
“After a few months serving in Boris Johnsons cabinet Ive decided to quit politics forever” sums up the man I’m sure. He’s British Trump, a walking talking shit. People will do anything to get away from the ****.
We in the US played with the idea of using tests to determine who could vote. It did not work out all that well.
Brendan O’Neill has come out against giving 16-year olds the vote, so I guess I am no longer agnostic on the age. 16 it is!
December 12th. I’ll be there, I’ll be voting. :D
Likely Lib Dems.
Fuck the Conservatives, and Corbyn scares me.
Looks like the Torybots failed this morning.
Looks like a vote for the Lib / Dems is a vote for the Tories.
draxen
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Latest poll! Woohoo!
I hope this trend continues.
I’m surprised he’s not in the impeachment thread joyously wanking over the fact the inquiry vote got 196 nays.
Who gets first shot at making a government coalition if there’s no clear majority? The incumbent?
and no surprises about Trump interfering in the UK election in support of Johnson with the help of Farage. Fascists support fascists.
“woohoo” eh guys.
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@draxen - that right there should make you switch teams. Trump is doing his best to destroy our democracy. Your team listening to him will do the same. Unless you’re a thuggish autocrat, this should scare you.
antlers
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Can someone provide a convenient narrative for what Labor is thinking in agreeing to the election at this point?
Was the only point in delaying the election previously to make sure a Brexit extension was in place?
Did Boris Johnson’s proposed Brexit deal influence attitudes of MPs towards having an election?
Hubris? Internally its normal to believe all polls are controlled by Tories or Israel, so they think the public all love Corbyn.
They really are going ahead with a campaign where they dont mention Brexit too.
I think ideally a LibDem government and getting rid of FPTP will change things enough so we dont end up with two such awful choices. Its about time we have coalition governments and politicians being forced to work with each other. I know im going to be disappointed. But I can hope.
